Thanks Avri. That puts things into a little bit more perspective for me.
Amr Elsadr M.D.
Chief Operating Officer
Tele-Med International
http://www.telemedint.net
Tel: +2(023)534-6098
Fax: +2(023)534-6029
-----Original Message-----
From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Avri Doria
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NPOC Q&A Document
Hi,
First, Welcome to the NCSG.
A quick answer.
The NCSG adopted a charter and that is what we are living by in so far as
it does not conflict with the bare bone charter imposed by the Board as an
Interim charter, found at:
<https://st.icann.org/data/workspaces/ncsg-ec/attachments/non_commercial_sta
keholder_group:20091126180409-0-22043/original/ncsg-approved-charter-30jul09
.pdf>.
We have informed the Board that this is how we are operating, and they have
never, in their oversight role, taken any exception to this. Of course that
interim charter is still the operating charter and any action we take in
contravention to that would be in breech of the charter as defined by ICANN.
I think, however, if you review the criteria included in the interim
charter imposed by the Board for NCSG membership, you will find that we are
not in contradiction to that charter in any way in our proposals, though we
do go further into detail.
In the meantime, I have been in near constant negotiations with the Board on
a revision of our charter, based on the charter we approved, but responding
to several comments that board members had; these board concerns are listed
on the same page as the charter currently under review:
<https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?ncsg_charter_board_issue_resolution>
We are close to the end of those talks, though we do not yet have approval.
In the last several weeks, Staff raised several issues regarding our
charter, which I have since responded to. I am currently waiting for the
Board's next actions.
While it would have been best, in my opinion, if the Board had accepted the
charter as approved by the NCSG members by 70%, that did not happen and the
by-laws do make the Board responsible for SG charters. It is my fervent
hope that the negotiations with the Board will reach a successful conclusion
in the near future. But if I fail, I will leave the challenge to my
successor as Chair of the EC.
a.
On 9 Nov 2010, at 17:30, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am new to the NCUC, so I will try to very briefly introduce myself. My
> name is Amr Elsadr, and I am an Egyptian national. My academic background
> is medical, however, I have not practiced clinical medicine since my year
as
> an intern. Instead I have sought a career in providing service to the
> healthcare sector using ICT tools and am now the COO of a tele-medicine
> service provider based in Cairo. Having said that, I have to be very
clear
> that when engaging in discussions with the ICANN community (and Internet
> governance in general), I wear a completely different hat, and that is as
a
> volunteer with the Cyber Peace Initiative's youth empowerment program
using
> ICT, Net-Aman. I am one of the founding members of this initiative, and
if
> you are interested in learning more about it, you can check our website at
> http://www.cyberpeaceinitiative.org.
>
> Please excuse the fact that I am still pretty much a novice in all the
> discussions and debates going back and forth, but the issue of forming a
> NPOC as part of the NCSG is the first I have come across as a member on
this
> mailing list, and you will find that I have more questions than anything
> else for the time being.
>
> For one thing, the criteria for membership of the NCUC are pretty obvious,
> but I am still perplexed on what makes an organization eligible to join
the
> NCSG at large (least of all, forming a new constituency under the NCSG all
> together). I have been looking for membership criteria since this string
of
> emails has started, and found the content Avri pointed out below a few
days
> ago, but unless I'm missing something, the very top of the page clearly
> states that although 70% of the NCSG approved (an earlier??) version of
this
> charter, The NCSG approved charter was not accepted by the ICANN Board
> Structural Improvement Committee. Does that mean that the eligibility and
> ineligibility of organizations as described under section 2.2.1 and 2.2.2
of
> that charter stands or not? If not, is there some other reference?
>
> Dan Krimm made an excellent point earlier regarding the difference between
> NPOs and noncommercial organizations. Being a not-for-profit organization
> and being a noncommercial organization are two completely different things
> as far as I can tell as well. Commerce is defined as the buying and
selling
> of commodities according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Commodities
> could be either products and goods or services. Hospitals and
universities
> are two examples that I can think of at the top of my head that, more
often
> than not, provide services such as the provision of education and
healthcare
> at a cost, yet not with the goal of creating profit. My question is,
> shouldn't there be a clear consensus on what makes an organization
eligible
> of being a member of a constituency under the NCSG? That has been spelled
> out pretty clearly in the link Avri provided under section 2, but again I
> ask, do these criteria stand? If not, someone please provide reference
for
> some that do. If these rules for eligibility are valid, then I believe
that
> the NPOC Petition and Charter will need to be revised, and there should be
a
> good reason why the organizations involved in trying to create this
> constituency would rather do so rather than be a part of the NCUC (I find
> myself making assumptions of what the operational impacts ICANN policies
> will have on the member organizations of the NPOC since I don't know what
> these organizations are). If they do not stand, then maybe that is the
> discussion that should be taking place in order to keep this stakeholder
> group truly free of members engaged in commerce.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr Elsadr M.D.
> Chief Operating Officer
> Tele-Med International
> http://www.telemedint.net
> Tel: +2(023)534-6098
> Fax: +2(023)534-6029
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Avri Doria
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:52 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: NPOC Q&A Document
>
> On 9 Nov 2010, at 15:34, Rosemary Sinclair wrote:
>
>> Hi Avri
>>
>> Could point me to the section in our proposed Charter on constituencies?
>>
>> Ta
>>
>> R
>> Sent from my BlackBerryR from Optus
>
>
> https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?ncsg_charter_board_issue_resolution
>
> section 2.3
>
> a.
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