At 10:28 AM -0500 9/11/10, Avri Doria wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am not personally advocating for thick WHOIS.  I am in fact 
>against it as a matter of personal opinion.
>
>What I am arguing is that the position itself does not make one 
>unqualified for NCSG membership.    I again refer to the model of 
>the NCSG as a broad tent for differing opinions from the 
>non-commercial stakeholders.

	I agree with Avri. The NCSG is, and must be, a broad tent, 
because membership is based on organisational structure and goals. 
The two organisations within the NPOC that we know of, the American 
Red Cross and Association of American Medical Colleges, are clearly 
not commercial, and so clearly belong within NCSG.
	Not every non-profit organisation belongs in NCSG (Rosemary 
has already nominated ATUG, a NFP with primarily commercial 
membership, I would strongly put organisations such as INTA in that 
same category and absolutely reject their entry into NCSG - not for 
profit and non-commecial are different issues), but there will be 
NCSG members whose policy positions do not happen to agree with 
current NCUC majority/leadership positions, and we have to have 
processes that reflect and embrace that.

	I honestly think these organisations belong within NCUC as 
well, despite their policy differences with NCUC majority opinions. I 
do appreciate that this makes things difficult for both NCUC 
leadership and the organisations in question, but I think that is a 
flaw in the Constituency system.


>I do  think, however, that a good debate on the subject of thick 
>WHOIS  is a good thing for the NCSG.  In fact I would love to see 
>more substantive reasoned  debates on  issues like this on the NCSG 
>list.

	Absolutely. It is a complex issue, with legitimate concerns 
on both sides. I personally do not favour a thick WHOIS (and any 
version of thick WHOIS that has a chilling effect on legitimate free 
speech is something I would oppose), but I would like to see solid 
policy debate on the issue, and I certainly think NCSG should have 
room for a range of opinions on this issue and others.
	Regards
		David