Fouad,
Any of the cases you cite would meet criterion (ii). That criterion has no "registrant requirement." The others do, but they are not exclusive. There is no need to amend the language.
--MM
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Registrant requirement shouldn't be there or atleast, third party
users should also be allowed which means, a person with a website at
say wordpress.com titled xyz.wordpress.com or xyz.ning.com should also
be allowed to equally register.
Really, I have just checked my communication till now and have not
said anywhere that registrants can't have membership. I just donot
feel comfortable of the binding to a domain name even in the point no
1. It should mention both registrants of domains and users of third
party websites/domains if the use is for non-commercial use.
On 12/17/09, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I guess I do not understand. Are you saying that people who are registrants should not be allowed to become members.
>
> People from developing regions, or elsewhere for that matter, who are not registrants are invited based on either
>
> 1. being an Individual Internet user who is primarily concerned with the non-commercial public-interest aspects of domain name policy,
> 2. being employed by or a member of a large noncommercial organization (universities, colleges, large NGOs) and it is too complicated or the Individual lacks the standing to get his/her organization to join on an organizational basis can join in his or her individual capacity.
>
> I do not understand how excluding registrants from membership would make it friendlier for people from Developing regions?
>
> Or are you just indicating that mention of F.2 (internet users who are primarily ...) should come on the list before F.1 (registrants)?
>
> thanks
>
> a.
>
>
>
> On 17 Dec 2009, at 10:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
>
> > Oh yes Avri, I am well aware of that but I would vote for relaxing the
> > terms to be inviting and not overwhelming to developing world people.
> >
> > On 12/17/09, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> Hi Fouad,
> >>
> >> In F, a person only needs to meet one of those classification not all three of them.
> >>
> >>> and who fall within one of the following three categories are eligible to join:
> >>
> >> Does this make it ok?
> >>
> >> thanks for the comment,
> >>
> >> a.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 Dec 2009, at 00:38, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Doria,
> >>>
> >>> Good effort so far but just a few observations:
> >>>
> >>> Within the article F. Eligible Individuals. I am not comfortable with
> >>> the type of domain bindings that come with the package. I also feel
> >>> developing country individual participation is not as developed or
> >>> advanced as that of the individuals in the developed. Buying a domain
> >>> and having it managed/hosted is sometimes equivalent to half a months
> >>> salary for the most population.
> >>>
> >>> A developing region person may or may not have a domain registered but
> >>> may be hosting his website or blog on an existing website service
> >>> provider and may be advocating for Internet/Domain/ICANN related
> >>> issues on a blog hosted by a third party due to skill deficit,
> >>> unavailability of money to maintain or pay for website development,
> >>> blog design, hosting etc.
> >>>
> >>> I would like the individual to be treated more as an individual
> >>> instead of him binding to a domain strategy business building idea.
> >>> That feels like ensuring a commercial objective that NCSG members will
> >>> also be buying out and owning domains. Their need or use then becomes
> >>> secondary that what they do with their domains whether for family or
> >>> non-commercial use. Holding a domain is a financial commitment on that
> >>> individual thus the process makes it a vice-versa commercial to
> >>> non-commercial conversion which in my opinion is unfair.
> >>>
> >>> I totally agree with "Individual persons who agree to advocate for a
> >>> noncommercial public-interest position within the Stakeholder group
> >>> and who fall within one of the following three categories are eligible
> >>> to join:"
> >>>
> >>>> i) An Individual who has registered domain name(s) for personal, family or noncommercial use;
> >>>
> >>> This should be really re-considered. Can be a third party free service
> >>> hosted domain too, no? How about a developing region participation
> >>> criterion?
> >>>
> >>>> ii) An Individual Internet user who is primarily concerned with the non-commercial public-interest aspects of domain name policy, and is not represented in ICANN through membership in another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group;
> >>>
> >>> This is developing region friendly.
> >>>
> >>> iii) An Individual who is employed by or a member of a large
> >>> noncommercial organization (universities, colleges, large NGOs) and it
> >>> is too complicated or the Individual lacks the standing to get his/her
> >>> organization to join on an organizational basis can join in his or her
> >>> individual capacity.
> >>>
> >>> This feels like a stereotyped exaggeration in my opinion if it
> >>> matters. I think this should be revised and add that independent
> >>> Academics, Researchers, Social Entrepreneurs, Independent Developers
> >>> can join in. We also have to see that many young scientists,
> >>> technology students that have direct work related to internet
> >>> addressing and internetworking/IP/Security will be interested and are
> >>> interested to join so this last statement should be more inviting to
> >>> the independent non-commercial participants.
> >>>
> >>> Many developing region participants on the list will be able to relate
> >>> to what I have commented. I hope my perspective from my developing
> >>> region background can be incorporated.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> At the meeting in Seoul, as well as part of the Transition Plan, the NCSG (Currently NCUC + Board Appointed council members) decided that membership in the NCSG should be opened as soon as possible so that organizations and people who were interested in joining the NCSG but perhaps not in joining the NCUC would be able to join. In order to make that possible, it was necessary to create a Membership Criteria document. There is consensus in the NCSG-EC on sending the draft out for review at this time.
> >>>>
> >>>> A draft of this document has been posted on the NCSG Executive Committee (NCSG-EC) wiki page: https://st.icann.org/data/workspaces/ncsg-ec/
> >>>> in http://bit.ly/4uOAT4
> >>>>
> >>>> A rtf version of the document is attached. A pdf is available on the wiki.
> >>>>
> >>>> As we would like to open membership as soon as possible, I would like to ask people to comment on this document by 11 January at which point I will ask the NCSG Executive Committee members to review all comments and decide on any necessary changes. After that, the plan is to open membership to the NCSG. The intent is also that this membership criteria document would be folded into the yet to be developed NCSG Charter, which will need to be approved by the Board and then would replace the Interim Charter.
> >>>>
> >>>> The next step for the NCSG-EC, which we have already begun, is documenting the process for forming an Interest-group/Constituency. As mentioned during the NCUC monthly meeting, we are currently working on this without trying to determine the final state question of whether the NCSG ultimately has Interest Groups or Constituencies, since we feel that the basics of forming such a group are pretty much the same regardless of the end decision on Interest-group versus constituency - briefly: first gather a group people of a particular interest, then organize and then start to contribute to the NCSG and the GNSO. As with this document, once we have a draft that has NCSG-EC consensus for sending to review, I will send it out for review.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will also be forwarding this email and the draft to the Board's Structural Improvements Committee for their comments.
> >>>>
> >>>> Avri
> >>>> acting as Chair NCSG Executive Committee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards.
> >>> --------------------------
> >>> Fouad Bajwa
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards.
> > --------------------------
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