I have to disagree somewhat with this. You are painting all ccTLD's with the same brush. As a director of CIRA who manage the .ca ccTLD I can say that CIRA listens to all stakeholders and takes their views into account when creating policy. I know many other ccTLDs do as well. Of course many don't as they are either run more like a commercial  gTLD or closely controlled by the state. I think overall you'll find the ccTLDs are very diverse with many different governance models. It is very hard to make generalizations because of this.

Personally I would like to see increased interaction between all the ICANN councils, constituencies, and stakeholders. That I think most of us agree on.

Kerry Brown

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Konstantinos Komaitis
> Sent: November-10-11 2:19 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Seeking your comments: GNSO and ccNSO
> topics
> 
> We definitely need to engage more with the ccNSO - from what I have
> observed the ccNSO is mainly exposed to discussions with a limited number
> of stakeholders and mainly law enforcement agencies. So, they are only
> listening to one side of the story and ultimately they tend to forget/don't
> care/don't consider important the implications their policies have on non-
> commercial users, fair use and free speech. So, I definitely support a more
> robust interaction between the two councils and also I suggest we, as NCSG,
> start approaching the ccNSO for more in depth discussions.
> 
> KK
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Robin Gross
> Sent: Πέμπτη, 10 Νοεμβρίου 2011 1:52 πμ
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> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Seeking your comments: GNSO and ccNSO
> topics
> 
> Thanks, Andrew.  However, this might a good reason to open a dialogue with
> ccNSO on this issue and to bring to bear some of these issues and concerns
> of registrants when these take-downs happen outside of due process.  So
> while we (NCSG) might be coming from a different perspective than ccNSO,
> we could both benefit from hearing the issues and concerns from the other
> and trying to find some common ground where possible.
> 
> Thanks,
> Robin
> 
> 
> On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Andrew A. Adams wrote:
> 
> >> Dear all,
> >> As some of you may be aware, there are moves to strengthen the
> >> cooperation = between the ccNSO and GNSO. Ideas are being canvassed
> >> for suggestions on po= ssible areas for interaction. A question:
> >> would the issue of domain name ta= kedown might be a good one to
> >> suggest for joint ccNSO GNSO work? Especially= given the recent
> >> Verisign episode, it is not just a ccTLD issue. Lots of d= ifferences
> >> between the GNSO and ccNSO but takedowns have some significant i=
> >> ssues in terms of the rights of registrants that would echo across both
> and= likely to be of increasing focus =85..
> >> Thoughts?
> >
> > With Nominet dealing with this in the UK as well, it's clear that
> > there is common ground between ccNSO and GNSO here. However, I am
> > concerned that cc delegates may be more easily influenced by
> > censorship-happy governments and that this might leave us with less
> > protection for freedom of speech in the generic name space than we might
> otherwise have.
> >
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