Although to me its completely irrelevant (I can mute whichever
discussions are not interesting in GMail), I think that creating
additional lists will only increase the entropy of the messaging
system.

So I tend to agree with William - concentrating the messages in one
list is best:
- it will allow a more transparent mean of messaging (everyone
receives all the messages)
- it will allow an easier management of the subscriptions (in the case
of multiple lists, the newcomers have to be advised to subscribe to
all the lists that they think can be relevant)
- it will allow a better education of all the members in the constituency.

But, if we decide otherwise, and later we decide that it was a bad
move, we can always go back.

The winnings for the tradeoff between more list options and fewer
messages per list are not that obvious...

Best,
Nuno Garcia

On 22 November 2011 11:00, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Joly
> Perhaps, but I don't see how.  Informed without the substantive debates that
> account for most traffic would be a contradiction in terms.  Informed
> without the NCUC internal procedural debates was what I was suggesting.
>  Announce-only presumably mean both kinds of debates stay on the SG list.
> Not sure how we're talking past each other but anyway let's see what others
> think,,,
> Cheers
> Bill
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:32, Joly MacFie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I think you are missing Judy's point. She is saying she wishes to stay
> involved and informed, without the debates. A well curated announce list is
> the only solution. Working in harmony with the confluence as a reference.
> Avris's further point is this is as true for NCSG as it is for NCUC.
> If furthermore NCUC needs to "get a room" to hash out internal discussions,
> so be it. IMO it's not a question of if but when.
> j
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:13 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hiue
>> It seems we're talking about several different rationales/models for the
>> possible creation of an NCUC listserv, each of which has different
>> implications.
>> One, which appeals to me, would be a list for discussing any purely
>> internal process stuff.  So discussions (and the occasional disagreements)
>> about how the constituency organizes its affairs, e.g. elections, filling
>> slots on SG bodies or GNSO working groups, and so on, as well as any
>> announcements from the constituency leadership, would go to this list.
>>  Discussions of substantive issues related to GNSO or Internet governance
>> more generally would remain on the SG list, since these really should be of
>> interest to both constituencies' members.
>> A second, which Avri and Joly are suggesting, would be a list solely for
>> announcements and administrative messages from the constituency leadership.
>>  Personally, I'm not sure I see how much this would help, since a) it's not
>> obvious that there's going to be a need for so many such one-way messages to
>> justify a separate list, and b) this would not address the sort of
>> complaints made by Alain about messages pertaining to NCUC laundry, dirty or
>> otherwise.
>> A third, which if I understand her correctly Judy Branzelle is suggesting,
>> would be a list that hosts the bulk of discussions both substantive and
>> process, on the grounds that there's just too much mail to read.  This I
>> have even more difficulty with than the second.  While I can understand NPOC
>> members not wanting to read NCUC internal process debates (any more than
>> NCUC members want to read NPOC internal process debates), now that the
>> chartering and reorganization are done, most of our traffic should normally
>> be on substantive issues, as it was before we had to deal with the
>> institutional tumult. I would think that anyone who's made the commitment to
>> get involved in GNSO/ICANN, or at least to keep an eye on developments
>> therein even if they can't consistently participate, should want to be
>> connected to the substantive discussions.  Moving these into an NCUC-only
>> space would impede collective awareness of the issues and make coordination
>> on them more difficult.  A rump SG list that doesn't host these probably
>> would have relatively little traffic or value.
>> Just my view. What do others think?
>> Bill
>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>
>> I'd say yes to both.
>>
>> j
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The other possibility, it the NCSG leadership is willing to countenance
>>> another list, which in the past they weren't, they could establish a NCSG
>>> announce list that our leaders could us for informational and transparency
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Or maybe there could be both a NCSG and a NCUC announce-only list for our
>>> leaders to use for announcements and transparency when they are acting in
>>> the best interests of the membership of the respective organizations.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 17 Nov 2011, at 15:00, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>
>>> > My 2c.
>>> >
>>> > I believe there should at least be a NCUC-MEMBERS (or suitable
>>> > equivalent) list, announce-only, for announcements and admin - then people
>>> > who might otherwise be ignoring the general to-and-fro of NCSG-discuss can
>>> > set their filters so as to get important notices.
>>> >
>>> > j
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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