Cant imagine how powerful is Big Brother and Big Data if there is no 
Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, WikiLeaks...

next... sending the clown... eh the drone :-)

i think Orwell was right :-)

On 11/06/2013 07:52 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
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>> Obviously every state keeps an intelligence service. The major difference between the duo USA+UK and the rest is the scale, persistence and pervasiveness of surveillance -- something orders of magnitude beyond what any other country does.
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> Yes.  And expect we'll see more and more articles about the other services, leaked back. Guardian article's interesting though, how GCHQ rates the other European agencies: "poor" Italy not so good, lucky Italians.
>
> Adam
>
>
>> This is what is motivating the scaling up of international reactions.
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 11/06/2013 09:41 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>> And this
>>>
>>> "GCHQ and European spy agencies worked together on mass surveillance"
>>>
>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden>
>>>
>>> Brazil's surveillance -- isn't this the kind of spying we'd expect, as featured in almost every spy novel?  Also looks like the US might be leaking back, making itself look not quite so bad.
>>>
>>> Discussion at the IGF I think made pretty clear that it wasn't the act of surveillance that was a shock, spies spy, but the scale, the absolutely massive (massive) scale, that everyone was a target (or potentially so), that US administration had been clear they didn't care about rights of non-US citizens: this might not have come through as clearly in the sessions as it might, but that human rights were violated was emphasized over and over.
>>>
>>> Couple of sessions at the IGF discussed: the final morning "Main Session: Emerging Issues – Internet Surveillance"<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-2013-transcripts/1439-taking-stock-emerging-issues--internet-surveillance>. And somewhat on the morning of the first day "Building Bridges – The Role of Governments in Multistakeholder Cooperation"<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-2013-transcripts/1447-building-bridges-the-role-of-governments-in-multistakeholder-cooperation>  (links are to full transcript)
>>>
>>> And there's a chairs summary on the IGF website that attempts to summarize things (clumsy stuff, and I was one of the pair who wrote it, a new version will be added later today).
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>>> Adam
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>>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 2:03 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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>>>> I guess the summit in Rio will include a discussion about this no ?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/5/5068024/brazil-admits-to-spying-on-us-russia-iran-diplomatic-targets-after-nsa-criticism
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>>>> -J
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