Hi,

You are probably right about the forms needing an edit.  I am sure that our chair will give us new version in due course.

On the membership requirements, as I remember from reading the NPOC constituency charter, your requirements build on the base NCSG requirements for membership; i.e  every NPOC members must qualify as a NCSG member, but not every NCSG member is qualified for NPOC membership. Whereas NCUC and NCSG membership qualifications seem pretty much equivalent where any NCSG member can also be an NCUC member as currently defined.  Of course NCUC could decide to tighten up its membership requirements if it wished so that its membership criteria would have additional membership requirements.

I think the general notion of multiple constituencies, is that each could define additional membership requirements beyond those of NCSG, as long as the NCSG membership requirements, which are rather general non-commercial requirements are met by all members first.  I think that is the notion, first one meets the qualifications for NCSG membership and then beyond that they can meet the extra requirements a constituency might have.

avri



On 12 Nov 2011, at 14:47, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Yes, I notice that NPOC is excluded here; I guess as a very new NCSG Constituency we logically come under the radar of NCSG/NCUC documents predating our arrival in the SG...  Maybe those documents should be updated?
> 
> In fact, there is a significantly different membership culture between NPOC and NCUC... because NPOC is only interested in NFP/NGO organizational members while NCUC mixes memberships from NFP/NGOs, academia (some could be for profit) and individuals (who may also have for profit motives or even be involved in two organizations, one for profit and one not for profit). Not sure this will make sense down the road or that we will want to continue that hybrid practice, as the number of constituencies may increase and the likelihood of membership overlap increases... time will tell, I guess!
> 
> I much prefer constituency-driven membership process followed by a higher level SG membership vetting... in any case that is NPOC's membership approach... unless our members wish it to be different in the future...
> 
> Alain
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> BTW: I think the issue here refers to both constituencies and their membership, though the question is specifically prompted by an NCUC membership FAQ.
> 
> The NCUC membership FAQ <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/15630409/NCSG-NCUC-Organization-member-Application.htm?version=1&modificationDate=1320787802795> says the following:
> 
> > 3.     Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG?
> >
> > Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because .... However, one should be a member of NCSG in order to be able to vote in the elections concerning the NCSG Chair and the NCSG Councilors that sit at the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO).
> >
> 
> This  brings up a question since it seems to allow for one to decide not to join both (though of course I may be misreading it, i.e it says 'should' and not 'must')
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> According to the charter, as I read it, one needs to be an NCSG member in order to join any of the constituencies as a member.
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> > 2.3 Constituencies
> >
> > Constituencies are structures by which NCSG members with similar concerns and interests can work together on the GNSO policy process. Constituencies will be eligible for representation on all NCSG committees. As Constituencies are comprised of NCSG members with voting rights, Constituencies do not maintain any voting rights.
> 
> So the question, can one be a member of a constituency without also being a NCSG member?
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> I have always supposed that Constituencies could have associates or observers who were not members, but I thought that to be a member of a constituency, one must be a member of the NCSG first.
> 
> Does this assumption correspond to the way other NCSG members read the charter? And does it correspond to the way the Constituency charters are written?
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> avri
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> 
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