Hi,

I agree there is a place for them in ICANN.

They exist in pretty much one area and they combine both commercial and non-commerical while serving users.

Sounds like an ALS to me.

cheers,

avri

On 14 Nov 2012, at 18:50, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

> I suggest avoiding a "you can't get there from here" message, meaning a message that says there's NO place for the groups within ICANN. I consider that answer unacceptable.
> 
> Having said that, they clearly don't belong in NCSG. So if not, where?
> 
> My suggestion is to agree with Adam and expand upon his point that they are VERY well-suited for the ISP constituency (which I would further suggest be renamed to the "Infrasructure Constituency"). Yes, it means that small cybercafes share a constituency with AT&T ... but then ALL ICANN constituencies have to deal with a mix of large and small players and the current ISP group does neither has nor merits immunity from such diversity.
> 
> Making such a proposal turns a negative NIMBY-sounding response into something that is constructive, inclusive, fully within the current structure while perhaps, even, a bit creative (if a bit SOBBY).
> 
> - Evan
> 
> 
> On 14 November 2012 09:40, Alain Berranger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Adam et al,
> 
> As I see it, CCAOI is an NFP Indian Trust and represents varied groups in India such as connectivity and content providers, public Internet access points, private Cybercafes owners, social mission telecentres and Internet users related to all of the above. It is an unique hybrid/mixed bag organization and does not fit neatly anywhere in ICANN as a member. It certainly fails to meet NCSG membership criteria and would not be admissible for NPOC membership as a result. In fact, it looks to me that there is no obvious place for CCAOI to become an ICANN member, as our current structure stands. 
> 
> If ( a big if given the NCSG charter that regulates NPOC's activities!) NPOC was allowed to use a single membership criteria of NFP status, as it advocates, then yes, CCAOI would be admissible as an NPOC member.
> 
> I will comment elsewhere on the new Constituency application, but will say right away that the first cut analysis by Dave Cake meets with my agreement: the business side into CSG and the non-commercial side into NCSG.
> 
> Alain
> 
> Alain
> 
> On Thursday, October 11, 2012, Adam Peake wrote:
> Shouldn't the ISP constituency be involved in this discussion?
> 
> From the application documents, looks like they are trying to create an association, rather than being an already established group.  
> 
> Perhaps as a member of NPOC rather than a new constituency?
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 11, 2012, Marc Perkel wrote:
> I agree - Non-Commercial means non-commercial. So the for profit can go somewhere else.
> 
> On 10/10/2012 8:42 PM, Andrew A. Adams wrote:
> ICANN's Silo model indeed produces a problem for this group. I think what
> they really need to do is split themselves for the purposes of ICANN formal
> structures into two groups: "non-profit Public Internet Access" and
> "Cyber-cafes and other commercial shared computer access providers", apply
> for NCSG/CSG group membership but agree amongst themselves that they will
> coordinate strongly between them on promoting the clear common interests such
> a group has.
> 
> I'm afraid I could not support the inclusion of for-profit access providers
> in an NCSG constituency as it violates the non-commercial principle of SG
> membership.
> 
> 
> 
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