Hi again,
I thought it might also be helpful to point out that there was another preliminary issues report requested by the board on this topic over two years ago (https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gtld-registration-data-2013-03-15-en). This was extremely problematic at the time, because the EWG hadn’t even started its work yet, let alone publish its final report and recommendations that would help shape the PDP. This would have deprived the community from the ability to provide any substantive input to the board-initiated GNSO process.
After a great deal of debate and negotiation, it was agreed that a new preliminary issues report would be published after all the substantive work scoping the PDP would be published, which is what we are dealing with now.
Just trying to point out that, all things considered, I believe this worked out pretty well (from a process perspective). Can’t promise the same from a substantive policy perspective, but this is yet to be determined. Our work on this has already started.
I hope we have a few minutes to go over this on tomorrow’s NCSG monthly call. Would love to hear more from folks on this.
Thanks again.
Amr
On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Amr Elsadr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Peter and Olévié,
>
> Although this is the first time the board has initiated a Policy Development Process (PDP), it is perfectly within their rights to do so, as per the ICANN bylaws. Check Annex A of the bylaws concerning the GNSO Policy Development Process, especially section 5: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#AnnexA.
>
> It is important to keep in mind that although this is a board-initiated PDP, the significant difference between this and a GNSO-initiated PDP is that the board initiates the process, which cannot be shut down at its onset by the GNSO. However, the rest of the process is similar to a GNSO-initiated PDP. The GNSO council can determine that a charter drafting team is necessary, and the ICANN board needs to treat the GNSO council and PDP working group (WG) recommendations like any other PDP WG. So ultimately, it is up to the GNSO and anyone else wishing to participate in the WG to hold the discussion and come up with policy recommendations.
>
> Also of note, this being the first time that the board initiates a GNSO PDP, the board and GNSO council created a joint board/council group to discuss the particulars of what would be included in the preliminary issues report of this PDP. This, IMHO, is a pretty good practice. We don’t get to provide this input during a GNSO-initiated PDP, as it is normally staff that drafts the preliminary issues report, not the community. And like any other preliminary issues report, there is an open public comment period on this before a final issues report is published. So we have an opportunity to provide more input now.
>
> So although Peter is correct in saying that the PDP was not initiated in a strictly bottom-up manner, those are the bylaws we have and need to deal with. The rest of the process is as bottom-up as any other GNSO process may be. The important issue right now is to get our input in, so that it may be reflected in the final issues report. This will help influence what may ultimately be in or out of scope of the upcoming PDP working group’s mandate.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Olévié Kouami <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all !
>> +1 @PeterGreen.
>> We must care about this concern. Why is it like that ? Is that manner pemitted by the Charter ?
>>
>> Warm regards
>> -Olévié-
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-07-20 9:31 GMT+01:00 PeterGreen <[log in to unmask]>:
>> Hi Amr，
>>
>> I am curious that you mention that the PDP was initiated by the ICANN Board, rather than the GNSO Council, and that the GNSO Council cannot reject it.
>>
>> For my understanding, that means the PDP was not initated in a bottom-up multi-stakeholder manner.
>> Does anyone care about this?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Peter
>>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:31:43 +0200
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- Next-Generation gTLD Registration Directory Services to Replace WHOIS Preliminary Issue Report
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So it’s finally here. A preliminary issues report kicking off the policy development process (PDP) for the post Expert Working Group on next generation gTLD registration directory services (aka WHOIS EWG).
>>
>> This is a PDP that I suspect will keep the NCSG (and other groups within the ICANN community) quite busy over the next couple of years. The deadline to submit a comment on the preliminary issues report is September 6th.
>>
>> For those who are interested, but not familiar with the GNSO PDP cycle, you can learn more about it here: http://gnso.icann.org/en/basics/consensus-policy/pdp
>>
>> Note…, this PDP was initiated by the ICANN Board, not the GNSO Council. This means that after a final issues report is published, the GNSO Council cannot reject it. It will have to proceed to a PDP working group.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
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