Hi,

Thanks Rudi for accepting the general principle that we need a procedure
before we can move on.

I think we need to

0. inform the CSG that enough silliness lets define a procedure.

1. get a group of election process geeks from both NCSG and CSG with
Staff assistance (perhaps even the Ombudsman if we need him) to work
together to propose a process that both NCSG and CSG can accept. And I
do not mean a process for 2014, but a process for future elections as well.

2. after both CSG and NCSG approve of the process then we send it the
GNSO Council for vetting. I don't think they need to approve it, but
they are to be notified and I suppose given time to comment.

3. after all is said and done, then - and only then - we hold whatever
election that process determines should be held.

We are already late, but instead of more adhocery lets get a process
built and agreed.

avri


On 21-Jun-14 15:58, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
> Hi Avri,
> 
> I concur to your proposal. Not having a decent procedure, makes it very
> difficult to start a process that can be accepted AND respected by all
> parties concerned and involved. Without an accepted procedure there will
> always be discussions and lack of consensus on the way forward. During
> the PC NCSG meeting in Singapore we initiated a first concept of
> procedure, but did not finalize the whole procedure. I would suggest we
> take this point up in the next PC NCSG meeting as a priority of work to
> accomplish.
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
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> Op 21-jun.-2014, om 15:49 heeft Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]
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> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> At this point, I think we are starting to enter silliness mode about all
>> of this.  The stress of the issue is becoming palpable with people
>> running around lobbying to and fro.
>>
>> One of the sources of this is that the NCPH (Non Contracted Party's
>> House that is NCSG + the CSG + NCA (NomCom Appointee)) has never
>> submitted its procedures for electing a Board members to the council as
>> required by the GNSO Operating Procedures. So the whole thing is being
>> done AdHoc, and is a wee bit farcical.  Perhaps we should do that before
>> we do anything else.
>>
>> Why don't we decide on a proper process for electing, one that can
>> actually terminate in a decision to elect, thus allowing us actually to
>> conduct a legitimate election for a board seat.
>>
>> I have attached the relevant ByLaws and Procedures text below.
>>
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> -----
>> by-laws
>>
>> 6. The GNSO shall make selections to fill Seats 13 and 14 on the ICANN
>> Board by written ballot or by action at a meeting. Each of the two
>> voting Houses of the GNSO, as described in Section 3(8) of this Article,
>> shall make a selection to fill one of two ICANN Board seats, as outlined
>> below; any such selection must have affirmative votes compromising sixty
>> percent (60%) of all the respective voting House members:
>>
>>    a. the Contracted Party House shall select a representative to fill
>> Seat 13; and
>>
>>    b. the Non-Contracted Party House shall select a representative to
>> fill Seat 14
>>
>> Election procedures are defined in the GNSO Operating Procedures.
>>
>> Notification of the Board seat selections shall be given by the GNSO
>> Chair in writing to the ICANN Secretary, consistent with Article VI,
>> Sections 8(4) and 12(1).
>>
>>
>> ----
>> gnso operating procedures
>>
>> 2.4.3 Detailed Election Procedures
>>
>> Each House is responsible for establishing its own internal procedures
>> for nominations, interviews, voting, and candidate selection; however,
>> those processes must be documented and forwarded to the GNSO Council for
>> inclusion as ANNEXES to the GNSO Operating Procedures. If a House
>> subsequently elects to alter its procedures, such amendments must be
>> submitted to the GNSO Council before becoming effective so that the
>> procedures accurately reflect the actual processes and activities
>> performed by each House in selecting its candidate.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>