I think there is a beneficial consequence of all this. BTW, the
"technical community" is a bit mute on all this (no, this is not the
beneficial consequence :)).

The benefit might be a strong move on the part of key countries to
stimulate the development of national infrastructures to keep
cloud/storage/routing/mirroring systems physically within their
boundaries. In LA&C there is a more significant move now to finally
build regional IXPs and fiber rings to minimize traffic exchange through
the evildoers, to host cloud services in the region etc etc.

Of course in some countries there is stronger talk of the UN, ITU
getting in -- and they see this a wide open opportunity, as most of the
ones who do not want this keep saying the way the Internet is run today
is just fine, and these events opened up many minds to understand that
no, this is not just fine.

frt rgds

--c.a.

On 07/03/2013 06:29 AM, Alex Gakuru wrote:
> Wildly thinking...
> 
> This development could, at some point in future, be used to justify a need
> for different "Internet Layers" arguably to fix emergent single points of
> failure. They may be "InterNet","RegNet" and "NatNet". Users could choose
> which network the wish to login to. International, Regional or National. Of
> course, one would expect "internet fragmentation" counter argument. I am
> just thinking out loud here...
> 
> [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or
> unintended typos]
> On Jul 3, 2013 12:03 PM, "Klaus Stoll" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>>   Dear Friends
>>
>> I think it is just a matter of very short time until someone will connect
>> ICANN in some way to this. Even if ICANN has nothing to do with anything,
>> it is a god send for the UN and ITU, they just need to mention ICANNs
>> status as a US foundation.
>>
>> We can see it as a problem or I think here is a opportunity. The root of
>> all these problems is still the fact that the general public depends on the
>> Internet, but does not know anything about how it is governed and run.
>> ICANN suddenly looks a very very old organization because it is not capable
>> to address the real issues of the time and is stuck in the past. What is
>> needed now is a big push towards true democratization of the Internet, as
>> awareness and involvement by all is the only way to govern the beast. It is
>> the general ignorance that lets those in power get away with it. If I know
>> that and how things are done I can try to control them, if I don’t even
>> know the basics I am just condemned to ignorance and in this case ignorance
>> is NOT bliss.  (When, oh when will we finally accept that the Internet is a
>> common good and can and should not be in parts or as a whole be owned by
>> anybody. We need a universal declaration of Internet rights NOW!).  You
>> might have seen the emails and activities regarding this topic in the last
>> month and weeks, (I-Inform alliance), so you will know the tools and
>> concepts are in place, what is missing is the will and effort to do it now!
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> (Those who want to know more about the I-Inform Alliance can send me an
>> email and I will forward more info).
>>
>>  *From:* Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:23 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: ICANN Paranoia
>>
>>
>> I suspect that many people remain silent on this -- perhaps still stuck at
>> the "Denial" stage on the Kübler-Ross model ?
>>
>> [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or
>> unintended typos]
>> On Jul 3, 2013 10:54 AM, "Andrei Barburas" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>  And personally, I am still not sure why everyone was/is surprised about
>>> the tapping and the surveillance..
>>>
>>> What Snowden did, was just confirm the "theory". At the end of the day,
>>> just because you don't know about something, that doesn't mean that it's
>>> not happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Andrei Barburas*
>>>
>>> CRSO/IO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD)
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands
>>>
>>> NPOC, ICANN member
>>>
>>>
>>> M: +31 62 928 2879
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Adam Peake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:13 PM, William Drake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering the NSA and PRISM stuff and that they are into Microsoft,
>>>> Google, Apple, Facebook, etc - shouldn't we assume that ICANN has been
>>>> compromised? Considering everything else they are into how can they not be
>>>> into ICANN?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having said that - what does that mean to our trip?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe that we should have all worried less about having our computers
>>>> compromised at the Beijing meeting?  Or, worried more broadly...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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