All this can be understood only in the historical context: Look at the service region for today´s RIPE NCC(https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/info/list-of-members/europe) which - as the "European" RIR - inlcudes Middle East and Central Asien countries. When AFRINIC was formed in the early 2000s they took mainly sub-saharian countries which were served previously by ARIN and RIPE and left some middle east countries with RIPE. Difficult to explain . But the good news is: It works....
wolfgang
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: NCSG-Discuss im Auftrag von Shane Kerr
Gesendet: Do 31.03.2016 13:06
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Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Geographic Regions Review Working Group Report - NCSG Response
Seun,
While ARIN predates ICANN, when ICANN was formed ARIN was still the RIR
for North America, South America, and sub-Saharan Africa. Certainly in
the case of Jamaica, since the official language is English it made a
certain amount of sense for them to have stayed with ARIN as an RIR.
The Caribbean islands all have unique backgrounds, and I suspect trying
to group them to get any kind of regional consensus is always going to
be problematic. :)
Cheers,
--
Shane
At 2016-03-29 21:55:41 +0100
Seun Ojedeji <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> That particularly amazed me Tracy. There is an ARIN meeting that will be
> holding in Jamaica sometime in April. It was quite interesting for me to
> learn that based on ICANN categorisation, .jm fall under the LAC zone even
> though it's within the ARIN region (RIR wise). Don't know how much this
> impacts on the work of the NCSG but I believe it does for the At-Large
> community.
>
> Considering that ARIN predates ICANN, one would expect there is already
> existing data set to work with. Nevertheless, I guess there may have been
> some other reason that informed their decision which ofcourse is currently
> be out of my reach/grasps
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my LG G4
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> On 29 Mar 2016 9:08 p.m., "Tracy F. Hackshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > See ARIN - LACNIC split in the Caribbean region.
> >
> > Sent from my Fire
> >
> >
> > On March 29, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Karel,
> >
> > While that concern was raised, my understanding is that it was not carried
> > forward into the recommendations. The Working Group did not recommend
> > moving most of the Caribbean region from the ICANN silo of Latin America to
> > North America because it feared the two regions would be split on
> > geographical and linguistic lines (I would suggest they already are.),
> > among other reasons of "practicality". It does, however, have provisions in
> > place to allow a country's government to voluntarily request to move to
> > another region. The procedures around how this would happen have not yet
> > been developed by Staff.
> >
> > I welcome any comments or suggestions you might have for our statement,
> > and I look forward to reading your additions.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ayden
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Karel Douglas <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good work - I read the NCUC report which caused me to immediately
> >> read the final report of the WG.
> >>
> >> I'm glad that the issue of the Caribbean region was discussed as it is a
> >> very topical issue.
> >>
> >> Carlton Samuels was on the WG and would have highlighted the concerns
> >> that we have.
> >>
> >> I will certainly try to add a few comments on your document.
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Karel
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline..com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello, team-
> >>>
> >>> I have drafted a response to the final report of the Geographic Regions
> >>> Review Working Group. Comments are due in about 25 days time but if we do
> >>> decide to reply, I hope we can submit something in advance of that
> >>> deadline. I've shared my first draft on Google Docs here
> >>> <https://links8.mixmaxusercontent.com/aMjjKHWxnLSD3SEwj/l/Dd5veWqTH5ASiyVjh?rn=IyczV3YzlGZgc2cj5mI&re=gI1RWZuIXez5idyV2c0NXasB0czV3YzlGZtc2cj5mI>
> >>> and have also attached it to this email for those without access to that
> >>> website.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c2vVT2DNO73l89wfZTvKtY70rmaid8g7XBO-Vto9SM/edit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You can read the Working Group's final report here:
> >>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/geo-regions-2015-12-23-en
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that we will have a wide birth of opinions on this topic, so
> >>> please know that I'm very much open to reviewing or rethinking anything
> >>> that appears in this early draft. I am also new to writing public comments
> >>> like this one so welcome any feedback you would be kind enough to share. I
> >>> look forward to hearing your thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Ayden Férdeline
> >>>
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> >>> Ayden Ferdeline - Response - WGGR Report.pdf 36KB
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> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ayden Férdeline
> > Statement of Interest
> > <https://links3.mixmaxusercontent.com/aMjjKHWxnLSD3SEwj/l/O3C68GH6eSvhsgLYk?rn=gIVRURuIVWT5iVSV0UUNVSMB0UTV1QTlERtc0UD5kI&re=gI1RWZuIXez5idyV2c0NXasB0UTV1QTlERtc0UD5kI>
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> > Ayden Férdeline
> > Statement of Interest
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