Hi,
Thank to Ginger, Timothe, Norbert and the other folks who have said nice things.
But _nobody_ owes me. It is the task I took on, and I kind of knew what I was letting myself in for. Well maybe not in detail or completely, but I kind of knew.
Just as whoever is thinking of running for the first popularly elected chair of the NCSG (assuming the charter passes) should know what they are letting themselves in for.
Now that is the real concern!
a.
PS. Trains in the UK are not nearly as bad as trains in the US!!!
On 15 Aug 2011, at 18:06, Ginger Paque wrote:
> +++1
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> Thanks Avri!!!
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> I assume the 'recall from vacation' suggestion was made in jest. Avri has been answering personal emails about this as well. We owe her.
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> Cheers!
> Ginger
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> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
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> On 15 August 2011 12:10, Timothe Litt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm concerned about the tone of many of these complaints.
>
> Avri made an incredible effort and did an excellent job of communicating the procedures for the charter vote. Multiple posts to this list, many personal e-mails.
>
> Suggesting a recall from vacation is inappropriate. Anyone who didn't keep track of the charter's evolution, keep your e-mail address curent, confirm their status as an active member and/or read the list/personal e-mails needs to consider whether (s)he has discharged his/her responsibility as a member.
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> I hope that all active members vote. The charter isn't perfect, but without one, we have no organization to improve. But vote - for or against as your conscience dictates.
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> I hope that inactive members who can make the minimal commitment of effort required to re-activate and follow/participate in the group will do so. But you won't be able to vote on the charter.
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> One thing that should be improved (I suggested this when I "checked-in") is that there needs to be an accessible way to change our e-mail addresses. I know I changed mine on the website, and the listserv - and still got the checkin e-mail at an old address. I don't see why the website can't be the the one-stop place to change/drive all the lists. Or at least have a prominent article that descibes everything one needs to do to update one's e-mail address. But if you're reading the list, you should have seen the many posts about this vote weeks before the deadlines.
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> I've seen the question about password and ballot number several times. If you get the e-mail from tally@icann, these codes will be inside it. The various samples haven't included them because they are unique for each voter.
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> In any case, instead of looking for someone else to blame, let's all learn from this that we each need to be responsible members.
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> Avri has my thanks for all the efforts made - I don't see significant missed opportunities. I hope Avri has your thanks as well.
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> Timothe Litt
> ACM Distinguished Engineer
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> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:13
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The charter adoption ballot [PLEASE VOTE PLEASE VOTE PLEASE VOTE]
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> I propose that the NCSG recalls Avri from her holiday to help us resolve emerging membership/voting issues.
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> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 7:05 PM, DeeDee Halleck <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The problem is that when I did not respond to the "check in" I never received anything from [log in to unmask]
> I spend a good deal of time looking for a tally message, but I realize that it was the check in I needed. And when I just today responded to the original "check in" message, I realize that Avri is on vacation.
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> So how can I "check in" and get a ballot.
> Moreover once I get a ballot (Avri sent a screen grab of one) what is the password and ballot number?
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> I'm trying,
> DeeDee
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> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:52 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Jorge
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> On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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>> Now that I'm back in my office and doing some research on the dates
>> from the original messages and your message, I found that it is more
>> or less the same time frame when I did some experiments with labels
>> and started playing with Google+ and had issues with gmail, on top of
>> that, early in August I started doing some email cleanup deleting
>> folders and old emails, so there is a high probability that I lost or
>> missed an important number of messages during that time frame.
>>
>> Now it makes more sense and I'm sorry I missed the check in request to
>> contribute another vote for the Charter :-(
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> Mail problems happen, and it's summer, which we knew would be an issue. But a pity you're missing the charter vote; hopefully the forthcoming election vote can be different.
>
> Everyone,
>
> I hope the added caps in the subject line don't offend any sensibilities, but an astonishingly large number of people have not voted yet, including veteran NCUCers, designated organizational representatives, current and former elected Council members, people we've nominated or put onto working groups/review teams/Nomcom, and on and on…This is really surprising and a serious problem. As the numbers Avri shared earlier today indicate:
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> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
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>> At the last check, among those on the active member list who were sent ballots
>>
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>> - the reps of 7 large organizations have not yet voted on the charter - 28 votes
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>> - the reps of 10 small organizations have not yet voted on the charter - 20 votes
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>> - 23 individuals have not yet voted on the charter - 23 votes
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>> That's 71 missing votes.
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>> That is 71 votes effectively against the new charter
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>> That is a 45% vote against the charter.
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> So a couple of years of hard work (re)drafting and (re)negotiating with successive boards are in real danger of being wasted, which will be a disaster for noncommercial interest representation in ICANN, commencing quickly.
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> Instead of doing another round of a few of us having to spend time trying to track members down bilaterally and send reminder pleas, can I suggest an alternative? Please be proactive. If you are on the list of Active Members https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Active+Members and you have not received a ballot from [log in to unmask]
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> 1. Dig around in your account, spam filters, trash, wherever
> 2. If you have a ballot, vote today, it takes three seconds
> 3. If you are really certain you did not receive the ballot, please inform us here on the list ASAP. After a few days we can compile the names and ask ICANN staff to resend it to you. They are swamped too with Dakar planning et al but hopefully they can make that happen.
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> Time is running out.
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> Thanks,
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> Bill
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