+1 Avri 

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I rather help them remain this way, than to assume the lost their goals



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El 19/11/2014, a las 11:51, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> escribió:

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> I find the arguments for Involvement more convincing than the ones against.
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> And I add one more, what NMI, WEF, ITU and all the others need is to be persistently 'infected' with multistakeholder principles and actuality s well as the diversity on civil society.  Our participation, no matter how hard it is condemned or ridiculed by some of the purists, is just that infection.  We cannot spread the ideas of inclusion and transparency by staying home as holier than all the rest until conditions are perfect.
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> I do think we should demand as much as we can to remediate the negatives, and whatever we don't get now, keep demanding until we wear them down.
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> I repsect the Interent Society and value my membership and participation in the Internet Society, but they have a different relationship to the power structures than we do, and they have     different Fadi problems that we have and play in a different game.  And I predict that in the end, they will participate.  Besides, just try to imagine ISOC not participating because NCSG was against it.
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> avri
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> On 18-Nov-14 19:15, Robin Gross wrote:
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>       > With ITU a governments only forum and no real will to change,
>       and IGF as a forum with no power to make recommendations or take
>       decisions and again no will to change, there is no credible venue
>       to initiate action on non technical issues or issues not within
>       the remit of Istar organisations These would include surveillance
>       issues, human rights issues, net neutrality issues, to name a few.
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>       > The solid commitment to NetMundial principles promised, if
>       carried out in practice, would create a credible and open
>       initiative
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>       > There is a need for a representative forum capable of moving
>       us forward on a range of issues not covered by existing
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>       > Participation is strongly supported by some sections of civil
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>       > AGAINST INVOLVEMENT
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>       > The last thing we need is a corporate takeover of internet
>       governance and this could become that
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>       > ISOC has withdrawn
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>       > Participation is strongly opposed by some sections of civil
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>       > This initiative has a track record of poor communication
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>       > Not bottom-up or transparent so far
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