... And this is all important for history, to be stored somewhere,
thanks, Stephanie.

2019-02-25 12:59 UTC+01:00, Amr Elsadr ProtonMail <[log in to unmask]>:
> Thank you very much for this, Stephanie. I found it to be very helpful, in
> terms of context.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Amr
>
>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Sure Amr.  I was indicating my general disgruntlement on the EPDP process,
>> and Goran said (roughly speaking, I did not write detailed transcripts)
>> you know I pushed to have this a multi-stakeholder process, the contracted
>> parties were not interested in having you (and others) involved.  We did
>> know this, as early as the summer after Copenhagen.  We were still
>> fiddling away while Rome burned, in terms of GDPR compliance, and the
>> registrars and registries had a fairly intense meeting with ICANN org at
>> that meeting and I believe at GDD meetings around that time, to say
>> (again, roughly speaking, I cannot quote them since I was not there) we
>> are complying with GDPR, WHOIS is going dark and you need to change our
>> contracts.  There was a last minute meeting, which we attended with four
>> reps (me, Wendy Selzer, Ayden Ferdeline, and I am sorry I am forgetting
>> the fourth person).  They then did an inventory of "use cases" for WHOIS
>> data, which of course took up a couple of months.  Meanwhile the RDS PDP
>> chugged on.  By the next meeting in Abu Dhabi in the fall of 2017, it was
>> clear that there were negotiations going on between ICANN org and the
>> contracted parties.
>>
>> I do not regard this as illogical, nor really a violation of the MS
>> principle.  Most of the 2013 RAA WHOIS specs were in my view in violation
>> of the GDPR (let alone its precursor the 95/46 Directive on Data
>> Protection) so the contracted parties needed to get something happening
>> immediately. An MS process would not have produced a result at that late
>> date, we were swimming through molasses on the RDS pdp on every meeting,
>> as I am sure you remember. You may recall I resigned from the RDS pdp at
>> the time...that was over the lack of transparency.  WE were wasting gobs
>> of time on a process that would soon be superseded by the temp spec, I
>> felt they should have done the honourable thing and told us what was up.
>> For folks like me, this is all volunteer time, taken away from our normal
>> lives.
>>
>> When the matter came up at GNSO Council to strike the EPDP, I volunteered
>> for the small group that was drafting the Charter, to ensure that we got
>> fair representation that matched our GNSO Council seats.  Sure enough,
>> there was an attempt to limit our numbers.  We are all indebted to Milton
>> for responding to my cries for reinforcement, to help fight for our 6
>> seats.  As we can see from the past 7 months of the EPDP, we needed every
>> one of those reps.
>>
>> I think Goran was simply stating his support for us (and the other
>> non-contracted parties) and the MS process.
>>
>> cheers Stephanie
>>
>> On 2019-02-22 06:05, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. One of the bullet points under topic 2
>>> (Multi-Stakeholder Model) stood out to me:
>>>
>>> “The Contracted Parties did not necessarily support having NCSG (or other
>>> non-contracted parties) participate on an equal basis in the EPDP.”
>>>
>>> Would you mind elaborating on this? Who said this, and is there any
>>> background to it that we should be aware of?
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>> Sent from Mobile
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Stephanie Perrin
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As discussed at the policy meeting in january, the call between the CEO
>>>> and the NCSG Chair took place on January 31, and the summary notes are
>>>> attached.  These were provided by ICANN staff, and are very high level.
>>>> Feedback on what should be discussed in the next call, which will take
>>>> place sometime between ICANN 64 and ICANN 65, would be appreciated.  I
>>>> would draw to your attention:
>>>>
>>>> - impending budget reallocations are likely to impact us, we need a
>>>> strategy
>>>> - I intend to follow up in Kobe in discussions with CEO and the Board
>>>> what "simplifying" the MS process means
>>>> - we need to exercise fiscal prudence and develop metrics for success.
>>>> - we have been talking about volunteer burnout for years now at ICANN
>>>> (actually we ignored the problem during the IANA transition, because we
>>>> knew everyone would be working insane hours).  It is time for us to come
>>>> up with some of our own solutions, I doubt anyone is going to do it for
>>>> us
>>>> - there was a lot of focus in our discussion on EPDP, because we were
>>>> down to the final days on that massive exercise, with many serious
>>>> issues not fully addressed.  We need to discuss a few of the other
>>>> ongoing policy developments, we need a break....
>>>>
>>>> I am happy to try to answer your questions, if I can.  This was in my
>>>> view not a particularly informative call on either side, I will prepare
>>>> my own briefing note to send ahead with a discussion of our key concerns
>>>> the next time; it is not a particularly relaxed conversation so more
>>>> formal preparation is clearly needed on my part.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, don't forget to suggest topic for discussion with the
>>>> Board in Kobe....last call!
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>
>>>> NCSG Chair


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