Thanks Rafik,
I am sorry i was not able to join the meeting. I sent my apologies
before the meeting, through Rafik.
Regards,
Arsene
2018-08-16 7:04 UTC+02:00, Liz Orembo <[log in to unmask]>:
> Thank you for this Rafik.
>
> My apologies I wasn't able to comment coz of network issues. Will
> participate in the next ones.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 2:11 AM Rafik Dammak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find attendance and recording of the *NCSG Policy Call on 15
>> August 2018 at 13:30 UTC*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Attendance: *Amr Elsadr, Austin Ruckstuhl, Ayden Férdeline, Benjamin
>> Akinmoyeje, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Dajana Mulaj, Ekue Farell Folly,
>> Elsa Saade, Farzaneh Badii, Franco Giandana, James Njoeoge Gitau, Julf
>> Helsingius, Martin Silva Valent, Olévié Kouami, Olga Kyryliuk, Rafik
>> Dammak, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin
>> Samme-Nlar *ICANN Org.:* Ozan Sahin
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mp3: *Attached
>>
>>
>>
>> *Viewing Link*: *https://participate.icann.org/p830r8rowji/*
>> <https://participate.icann.org/p830r8rowji/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=3ca943f349df87af955c8d5215db2d9eda2bd36d5f880d31234961000af1026a>
>>
>>
>>
>> *AC Chat:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Ozan Sahin:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Policy call on Wednesday, 15
>> August 2018 at 13:30 UTC
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:hello all
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Hi all
>>
>> Franco Giandana:Hello all!
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:Hi all
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:we will start in 1 or 2 min
>>
>> Martín Silva Valent:hi
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:if you are not speaking, please mute yourself
>>
>> Tomslin Samme-Nlar:hello
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Hi all!
>>
>> Collin Kurre:Hi everyone
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Hi all.
>>
>> Shah Zahidur Rahman:Hi Everyone
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Who is 1734xxx please?
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:cutting out a lot AMr
>>
>> Elsa Saade:hey everyone!
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Thanks.
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Apologies for joining late - got stuck in traffic
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I am not comfortable with voting on this motion, I
>> agree
>> with Farz that we need to raise the questions, esp with regard to what
>> GNSO
>> said in 2017 (there is a reference to this in our comment)
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Report here:
>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/attachments/20180807/ab4b45f9/red-cross-protection-policy-amend-process-final-06aug18-en-0001.pdf
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Summary of recommendations at the beginning of the report.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I wonder if we have to vote tomorrow.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I wonder if we defer what's gotta change!
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Wouldn't mind a deferral.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I won't mind a deferral but at the end the report won't
>> change and we will vote no or abstain.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:so we can just vote no or abstain with the statements.
>>
>> Claire Craig:If we defer is there a timeframe?
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I will read it. I wonder how carefully they read it :)
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:We need to get real. Nobody from NCSG participated in this
>> WG, and the WG is submitted to the Council with Full Consensus of its
>> members. The motion will pass on Council, irrespective of our
>> views/votes.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:okay let's asl for a deferral tomorrow
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, that's what am saying, the deferral would be only
>> to strategise our abstentions/nos
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:and supermajority, yes
>>
>> Elsa Saade:i tend to agree with Tatiana on this one
>>
>> Amr Elsadr::-)
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I am somewhere in the middile ground, I won't mind just
>> to vote no tomorrow
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:It's just stand on our ground. So instead of deferral
>> we
>> can just say a big no right on the spot. But deferral is better, some
>> fuss
>> :-)
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I can help with the reason
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Can we come up with a clear paragraph as to what we
>> are
>> objecting to?
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:No requires no explanation, but abstention won't count.
>> Hmmmm. Hard choice, let's defer
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:If our councilors would like this motion to be defered,
>> should be for a good reason. One reason might be to investigate whether
>> or
>> not the WG has made its recommendations based on a legal basis, or not.
>> If
>> there is a legal basis for these names to be reserved, then the WG should
>> demonstrate this. If there isn't...,
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Farzaneh, the comment you drafted is really outlining
>> all the reasons very good, but if there is anything else you could add -
>> am
>> sure we all will appreciate....
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:sure. I just have to check if they changed anything
>> based
>> on our comments. I doubt it :)
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, do you think the reason that the WG chair promised
>> to get in contact with us and explain how our comments were addressed etc
>> etc is not a good reason? The fact that we need investigate... ?
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I saw they still had the magic number 191...
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:I have no idea, Tanya. This topic has been stuck in the
>> GNSO's throat for years, but I haven't followed this WG's work at all. I
>> could imagine a scenario where folks involved are so sick of it, they
>> want
>> to put it behind them, and get the GAC off their backs.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:would have been nice to know what changes they made
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:also second level still stays. Anyway, we have time to
>> check
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: As for the public comment review tool used by the
>> WG.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:*Ask
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr it looked to me like everyone is just sick, yes.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Farz this one is for you
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_report-2Dcomments-2Dred-2Dcross-2Dprotection-2Dinitial-2D13aug18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=72g7yLR_11q3NQJ23N-1IZA358CA_ULoibP_dHAJwR0&e=
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Our comments warrant no changes.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:so you don't even have to check the report: "Action
>> Taken: None, the comments do not warrant changes to the full consensus
>> recommendations."
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Explains why the chair never got back. Okay then.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:SORRY ! I moved.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:!
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:thank you Tanya
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Who was the WG Chair?
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:Phil and Petter
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:is this GAC consensus advice?
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:how about we sell half of the Internet land to GAC.
>> maybe
>> they will be satisfied
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Ok then yes, PHil has been briefing us pretty
>> thoroughly on this one, I bet they are sick of it.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Over to you Board....
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:yes they have been briefing us on bad recommendations
>> ...
>> I remember that
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:and the legal review they commissioned was top notch
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Bottom line, Red Cross do not want to have to pay for
>> internet vigilence.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:It'll be a repeat of the RC situation.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:If the Board gives in to the GAC, which is of course,
>> unheard
>> of. ;-)
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Amr: oh yes, that never happens. :)
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Getting ready for another end run vis a vis
>> EPDP. Elliot v Manal, stay tuned....
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:sell to GAC? They would want it for free :-(
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:yup
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:free rides
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:The WS2 .. I guess we gotta stamp it. Even though they
>> didn't really address our comments
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Strategically, do we want to object every time they
>> ignore our commentson principle, or do we abstain and make a statement?
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I think abstain makes sense
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Steph, I think in this case we rather vote yes. We can
>> flag that we are unhappy during the discussion
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I am not ready to abstain from voting for WS2 to be
>> honest.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:There are arguments on both sides. I am mentally
>> preparing for our comments on the RDS Review to be not implemented.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:but Ombuddy. Yes, it's a *problem*
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:We might want to flag it during the discussion
>> tomorrow?
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:saying yes, we can approve, but look there is a big
>> problem that we are forced to rubber stamp in bulk
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I do think the feeling would be that we are just a
>> bunch of whiners
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I think that's a good idea Tatiana. if that can be done.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Well if we vote no for this giant work of 16058 people
>> because of ombuddy....
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:just for our own records even
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:We need to publish statements which detail objections
>> for the record
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:haha
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:16058 will be after us
>>
>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):@stephanie why do you think our comments
>> will not be implemented in the RDS Review
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I think we can just flag unhappiness on the record
>> tomorrow. I am making a note to myself. I can take the floor and say that
>> it's unfair that we are put into the situation when we object to one rec
>> strongly and have to rubber stamp
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Benjamin, I have had a hard time getting them to
>> listen
>> to me on the group. The chair is anti-privacy. The RDS Review is only
>> looking at the 2012 recommendations, which did very little for our
>> issues....it was all about accuracy and compliance.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:it's insane that an anti privacy person is appointed as
>> chair
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:aat least a neutral one ...
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Basically we are saying "GDPR will have an impact on
>> future WHOIS, but is not relevant to this review." We are not making new
>> meaningful recommendations. Folks are locked in Status quo. There is
>> one
>> NCSG< one Registrar, and 4 GAC 4 ALAC
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:RDS Reviews are scoped on the implementation of policies
>> already in place, no? And there was a desire to not overlap any of its
>> work
>> with other ongoing RDS projects, like the Next-Gen RDS PDP?
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I'd imagine that GDPR is actually out of scope
>> of the Review.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:yes, but it is a bit crazy to have recommendations
>> about WHOIS that ignore GDPR.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:oops I missed what Rafik said
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Not familiar with the contents of PDP 3.0, but will look
>> into
>> it. Curious.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I got distracted. ...
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:5 years from now, we will be reviewing recommendations
>> which ignore GDPR....
>>
>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I am still here with you Rafik
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Hopefully, 5 years from now, you'll be reviewing
>> how the EPDP and RDS PDP outcomes played out.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:And celebrating the successes of the multistakeholder
>> model, of course
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:So shouldn't ignore GDPR. We need to develop policies that
>> address GDPR, before we get around to reviewing them.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:True, Amr....I just am losing hope. NEed vitamins
>> perhaps....
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:there is no amount of vitamins that can restore hope.
>> As
>> in that old saying "even with all the mayonnaise in the world you can't
>> make chicken salad out of chicken poop"
>>
>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):@Stephanie is it still possible to have a
>> WHOIS that will ignore GDPR, certainly I believe the EU will not let that
>> happen.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I can't imagine where the volunteers are going to be
>> found
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Tat :-)
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:well Tat, vegans might disagree with you
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:The policy is certainly necessary, so is an IAG to ensure
>> that the implementation of the policy is..., implementable.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:If it starts up, it is dangerous, we have to staff
>> it. Maybe move the whole EPDP with backup over.....swarming.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:And this policy goes beyond the scope of GDPR. This policy
>> allows for contracted parties to raise issues with whatever national law
>> is
>> applicable, GDPR or other.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:agree with those objections, tatiana
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I agree with Tat. But I think we are running into
>> procedural issues re the number of times a motion can be deferred....
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:This group is an advisory group on implementation of an
>> already existing policy.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:We have to resolve the motion tomorrow.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Yeah we do but it's *vvaaaaaaguuuuue*
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Not a motion, right? Just a discussion topic?
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:No no motion. We approved the charter. sigh.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Oh my mistake, I thought we were up against the time
>> limit....
>>
>> Elsa Saade:that was my fear back when this was still in discussion mode
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:So we have no time limit on how long we can rag this
>> puck now?
>>
>> Elsa Saade:at what point can the charter be reviewed ?
>>
>> Collin Kurre:I don't think it's a good idea to have several parallel
>> processes addressing the same issue. On top of straining limited
>> resources
>> (volunteer hours), it also risks producing conflicting / contradicting
>> outcomes
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:(must be repression setting in, yes we dealt with it
>> last time)
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Proposed charter here:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dicann-2Dprocedure-2Dwhois-2Dconflicts-2Diag-2D23jan18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=0JIEcFcdud39u4jFmpdXOfdiYKmWZvc2Bt8wxA3WaGQ&e=
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:The main idea behind this entire thingy was that it
>> will
>> deal with additional issue
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:issues
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I support
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:so not like in parallel. But the problem is that until
>> you know what's on with EPDP you can't really see what's in parallel and
>> what's not!
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:i mean i support travel support of rapporteurs and
>> co-chair of pdps
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:oh it;s not a matter for discussion? ok
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I think we just get updates on how helpful this support
>> is/ was
>>
>> Collin Kurre:bingo tat and it's also hard to tackle this subject in a
>> logical, step-by-step way when all these ad-hoc proposals and groups keep
>> popping up
>>
>> Collin Kurre:whack-a-mole
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Collin, yeah totally.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:it's a bad idea. can you scrap or delay it?
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:(the WHOIS conflict I meant)
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:good question Amr
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:we have to find a way....it is NUTS to keep doing
>> this.
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:i presume the Chair has been notified
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I thought we did get a note from Heather
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:but the EPDP is not being kept updated
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Who is deciding on where that money will be spent
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:WHOIS conflict - I guess we can raise so many points in
>> discussion that the discussion will be deferred
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:similarly, various letters on the correspondence page
>> pertaining to the EPDP and addressed to the chaie have not been shared
>> with
>> the EPDP team on the EPDP list
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:@stephanie Yes the Council did receive the letter, but
>> the EPDP team did not
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Hmn, that should be an item for staff, no? the moment
>> a letter appears it should be sent.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Seems rather basic....\
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:I would have thought it was an item for the Chair, as
>> it
>> is addressed to them
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Rafik. Some follow up on this topic would be
>> helpful.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: I haven't seen any follow-up to Cherine's letter on
>> the Council level either. Unless I missed it.
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:there were 2 responses, from Pam Little and someone
>> else
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Ah..., thanks. Will check those out.
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:but more 'thanks for sending it' type of communications
>>
>> Amr Elsadr::-)
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Well..., that's something. :-)
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I will skip the GNSO to do it...not like anything ever
>> happens with GAC
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:GNSO/GAC can be skipped for a great cause surely
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly. I am so annoyed about this, I feel like
>> using
>> my grant money to rent a room in the hotel and invite the DPAs to come to
>> a
>> private session. Really, it sucks to be ignored.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Tanya: ..., or for a petty one. ;-)
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Anything but..., :)
>>
>> Collin Kurre:what?!
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:five...
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr :D :D :D
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Julf is stuck with the GAC, though, so best of luck to him!!
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Thanks. :)
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Adam was having success getting a room at Amadeu
>> Abril's law school, but that will involve us all leaving the conference
>> to
>> go offsite
>>
>> Collin Kurre:we all remember their multistakeholder policy
>> recommendations! I can't believe they get that much bandwidth still! I
>> thought the sketchiness around the IP recs would have outed them as an
>> interest group through and through...
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:no it is not fair to have to leave the venue, as nice
>> as
>> Barcelona is
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:the Board always has spare rooms they never use
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:COmplain to the CEO!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin: you have a meeting coming up.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:^^
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Yes, Farzi. That sounds like a good topic for your meeting
>> with the CEO.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I really feel that I am wasting my time doing this
>> research project.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:oh I will. list of complaints getting long :)
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:So we can end the call 20 minutes early? :-)
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, wishful thinking
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:oh 20 minutes of life?
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:or I can talk to you about DNA :)))
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Shall I write to the CEO with my proposal? Just to
>> get
>> it on the record?
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:there is a hand raised
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:let me handle this Steph ... dont get excited
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:Rafik, Collin wants to talk
>>
>> Collin Kurre:it's cool I can wait
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Your arm will get tired.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:;)
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina::D
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:your hand is blue now ...
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2Dcomments-23open-2Dpublic&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=PVrkI4MWuO0tcdZIZpo9Bykod3QoFJ227gdXiazrStQ&e=
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Yes.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Yes Collin
>>
>> Franco Giandana:I am sorry I have to leave sooner, something came up! I
>> will be waiting for the minutes!
>>
>> Collin Kurre:link to workshop for reference:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.intgovforum.org_multilingual_content_igf-2D2018-2Dws-2D349-2Da-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dapproach-2Dto-2Dhrias-2Dlessons-2Dfrom-2Dicann&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=v9o0Gv6sgUntZbem7bDCnD5CUUXCQ6wN7rIWFc2WDN4&e=
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Sadly, I am not getting excited, I am circling the
>> Slough of Despond and the Depths of Despair (for non-english speakers,
>> this
>> refers to a very famous Tome written centuries ago called Pilgrim's
>> Progress....very Christian fantasy novel by John Bunyan, required reading
>> for early American Protestants.... )
>>
>> Collin Kurre:There will be a LOT going on! :D
>>
>> Collin Kurre:New publications, new HRIA model, tapas...
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:15 min for EPDP and AOB O_o
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:EPDP? can I leave?
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Can I come with you?
>>
>> Elsa Saade:haha get going guys
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:I am leaving with no warning :-)
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:No deserters, they will be shot
>>
>> Elsa Saade:and kudos to you all
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:Stephanie you need to be elected first :)
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Yes, but I have also had lots of conflicts
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Geez Stephanie!! Started cursing out loud. Thought you were
>> quitting the EPDP for a minute!!
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:Speth is you shoot all the deserters from this call we
>> would have almost no one on EPDP ;-)
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:As I am there already....
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:*I made a typo in Steph's name ... I think it's almost
>> time to leave for me
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Stephanie: if nobody else is interested, I am OK being
>> the last resort of the audction proceeds wg
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:There are some who would prefer to continue with a pointless
>> Review, just to avoid a precedent in abandoning accountability
>> safeguards/bylaw requirements, such as reviews. Or so they say...,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:i am happy to review the initial report of Auction
>> Proceeds and work on the NCSG response... but i don't have the capacity
>> to
>> follow that working group every week
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I actually accept that rationale Amr....v dangerous to
>> let the CEO decide to cancel.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:But like you said, it's a waste of time, effort and money.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:EPDP's just going round and round
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:haha
>>
>> Collin Kurre:"I will volunteer... YOU"
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Yes it is very very wearying. Thank goodness Volker
>> is
>> there.
>>
>> Ekue Farell FOLLY:hahhaha funny
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:4 calls thus far
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:For those of us who were on the RDS......it is like
>> going in circles forever. Dante's purgatorio....
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:and constant fire firefighting, as some attempt to
>> rewrite basic rules, i.e. the role of an alternate
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Circles forever - or the circling leading down a
>> whilrpool?
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:we could rewrite the trilogy, I think Dante got it
>> wrong. But then he had not experienced ICANN....
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:(sorry, not inspiring the new recruits to volunteer,
>> am
>> I)
>>
>> Collin Kurre:great summary Amr
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Actually forgot all about the early input!! Whoops!!
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:So unless someone else comes forward, Julf is our guy
>> on Auction Proceeds now, I will inform the group after the election
>> closes...
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Not keen, but... :)
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Perfect, I need to tell them I am departing first I
>> think Rafik....
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:oh come on. you are keen Julf
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Would a post mortem on it be useful?
>>
>> Collin Kurre:Absolutely.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:imo
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I think so too.....we need more sessions, not similar
>> to this topic.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:Agree that those are very useful skills, Farz
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:I agree, Stephanie
>>
>> Rafik Dammak:the consultant cannot help for pdp or other susbtance
>> matters because it is not his field
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Number 1 barrier is ability to commit time and effort. All
>> other barriers can be overcome, if this one can.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:we have been working on that Stephanie.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:I have been doing webinars on it, I share slides with
>> them,. it's a matter of "reading"
>>
>> Collin Kurre:To be fair ICANN org doesn't always help. Their comms
>> lately have leant themselves to a wider interpretation of mandate (i.e.
>> references to fake news, etc)
>>
>> Austin Ruckstuhl:Stephanie, how about you just mentor me as a newcomer!
>> ;)
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:great idea Austin
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: Yes..., "reading" is part of the "effort" required.
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:New members should really try to ask questions, especially
>> during these calls. Many of us would be happy to answer any.
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:"you need to be patient" applies to pretty much
>> everything in ICANN
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Happy to mentor you Austin, just ask me questions!
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:"you need to have thick skin" is another.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:I think we need quizzes. When people cannot answer
>> the
>> questions, we provide references. Sort of a self learning tool.
>>
>> Collin Kurre:I could use some help in the CCWP-HR. I'm happy to mentor,
>> instruct, and parcel out small tasks to newcomers who are interested in
>> the
>> topic of ICANN and human rights. Perhaps allowing people to start off
>> mastering one little corner of the ecosystem is a useful approach.
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:hahaha
>>
>> Claire Craig:Thanks for that comment Farzaneh
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Collin: Mastering one little corner is extremely useful.
>>
>> Austin Ruckstuhl:Thanks everyone. I love the idea of a quiz! Thanks
>> Stephanie
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:HR group is a great way to get engaged, I can confirm
>> :-)
>>
>> Claire Craig:really appreciated, because it can be quite overwhelming
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Mine is so thick that when Fik tells me to be concise,
>> I don't even hear it anymore....
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: haha!!
>>
>> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:yay. Thanks all!
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Fik for Chairing1
>>
>> Tatiana Tropina:bye
>>
>> Claire Craig:bye
>>
>> Julf Helsingius:Thanks all!
>>
>> Farzaneh Badii:bye all
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline:thanks all
>>
>> Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks, bye
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
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- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
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<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
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