Dear Farzaneh,

I remember discussion about the membership approval issue in the EC
when I cas Chair, whether or vote would be needed or not, but no
conclusion; I guess I thought it would come up in the EC when the
procedures were ready.

In any case past discussions and my failure to act timely are not
really relevant. I'm just asking what the EC decided about it.

So, I take it your view is that the membership approval requirement is
satisfied by posting link to the procedures in (still editable google
docs) to ncsg-discuss and taking lack of objections as approval (even
though it is known that all members aren't on the list and that some
can't read google docs).

If the EC has so decided, fine. As I don't have any objections
to the procedures themselves, I won't complain further.

In any case it doesn't seem to bother anybody much whether
or not we follow our charter.

Tapani

On Sep 11 09:21, farzaneh badii ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
> 
> Tapani
> 
> This really is becoming scenario of absurd! Robin in September 2017 when
> you were the chair of NCSG shared these procedures on the mailing list. See
> below. You never said then that this should be voted by membership.  Robin
> explicitly said if there are no significant concenrs they should go forward
> as NCSG operating procedure in the coming weeks.  Despite having you
> answering to members inquiries not a single time you contested what Robin
> said. https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind1709&L=NCSG-DISCUSS#44 had
> you not agreed with her then?
> 
> I shared the same procedures for members again to weigh in and comment on
> June 2018. Gave the members three weeks to respond with all the previous
> year thread in place. No one objected. No one said approved should be
> interpreted that members vote.  And again you were not around. Document had
> only minor editorial changes. and then it was approved:
> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1806&L=NCSG-DISCUSS&P=138383
> 
> I don't know what is happening. This has happened before where I had to
> again refer to the previously mentioned links and discussions. Would you
> like to undo things that were supposed to be done during your term? Go
> ahead. I take no pride in finalizing things that others should have done.
> Would you like these membership changes procedures be voted by the
> membership? Sure, lets see how much support you get here and you can also
> submit a letter to EC requesting it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robin Gross [log in to unmask] via
> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en> listserv.syr.edu
> [image: Attachments]Sep 2, 2017, 1:51 PM
> to NCSG-DISCUSS
> Hello,
> 
> Please find the attached procedures for handling changes in one's NCSG
> membership status, which is intended to formalize our EC’s operation on
> such matters.  If there are no significant concerns with these procedures,
> they should go forward as an NCSG operating procedure in the coming weeks.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:34 AM Tapani Tarvainen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Farzaneh,
> >
> > Yes, that's what I mean. As our charter explicitly says member removal
> > procedures are subject to membership approval, that presumably means
> > something - that approving member removal procedures requires something
> > more than other procedures the EC can do by itself.
> >
> > "2.2.6 Procedural rules
> >
> > The Executive Committee shall create procedural rules for membership
> > and for existing members to maintain their good standing or for
> > removal of membership for cause. ***Any such procedure will be subject
> > to membership approval.***"
> >
> > To me such language implies a vote by the membership or some other
> > extraordinary procedure.
> >
> > So, how did EC obtain that approval from membership?
> >
> > Or how do you interpret that sentence in the charter?
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> > On Sep 11 07:53, farzaneh badii ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
> > >
> > > Tapani,
> > >
> > > Sorry I am so surprised that I have to ask: you mean how the removal
> > > procedure got approved given that they are subject to membership
> > approval?
> > > The procedures I sent the link to and are on our website?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 3:47 AM Tapani Tarvainen <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Farzaneh,
> > > >
> > > > Given that our charter specifically requires them to be subject
> > > > to membership approval, how was that done?
> > > >
> > > > Tapani
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 11 03:20, farzaneh badii ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tapani
> > > > >
> > > > > Those removal procedures were approved a couple of months ago and
> > now on
> > > > > the website:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Operating+Procedures#OperatingProcedures-169034239
> >
> > --
> > Tapani Tarvainen
> >