Here is some more press, explicitly digging out the relationships.
The interesting connection between the .Org deal and ICANN
https://domainnamewire.com/2019/11/13/the-interesting-connection-between-the-org-deal-and-icann/
Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:19:11PM +0000, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
> The purchase has not been completed yet, so the notification we all received may (or may not) formally serve as their notice to
> ICANN, but if it doesn’t, then there is still plenty of time.
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> From: NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Michael Karanicolas
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 9:50 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ISOC sells PIR
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> Given how catastrophic the invocation of art. 7.5 would be for both PIR and for ISOC, I would be amazed if they'd made a mistake
> like failing to inform ICANN of the purchase. Indeed, I would assume they consulted extensively with ICANN in laying the groundwork
> for this sale, and got organizational buy-in from the earliest stages of the discussions. I doubt very much ICANN is going to
> invalidate the registry agreement.
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> That said, and as Stephanie noted at the outset, all of this casts the previous discussion over the new contract in a different
> light, given that ICANN almost certainly knew that a sale was being discussed. I seem to recall that they leaned heavily on past
> precedent, and that PIR had not previously utilized the price increases available to it, in arguing that they could be trusted with
> the pricing change. If they knew that a sale to new (and likely more financially demanding) ownership was just over the horizon,
> that whole line of argument seems very disingenuous.
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> Michael Karanicolas
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> Resident Fellow
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> Yale Law School
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:08 AM Joan Kerr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi Caleb,
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> I am not sure that ISOC/PIR gave notice to ICANN, I am sure they have. The Chief Purpose Officer, Nora Abusitta-Ouri
> previously worked at ICANN, so would know the rules and requirements to be addressed.
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> Regards,
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 11:40 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> And here is the first red flag raised and quoted by @IGPAlert on twitter.
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> Re: the sellout of .org, under art. 7.5 of the PIR contract, PIR has to provide ICANN with 30 days’ notice of any change in
> control, and ICANN can respond by terminating the agreement #PIR #ORG #ICANN
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> Was ICANN notified and was there any notice to critical stakeholders SO /AC?
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 2:19 AM James Gannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> The purchasing entity is ethos capital a Delaware corporation formed 4 months ago with many familiar faces involved.
> https://ethoscapital.com/
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> James Gannon
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> On 14.11.19, 02:00, "Carlos Afonso" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Yes, they are the same: Ethos and Ethos Capital are from the same group.
> Even the web pages are almost identical, and several officers sit on
> both. As if this would make a significant difference, but...:
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> http://www.ethos.co.za/
> https://ethoscapital.mu/
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> fraternal regards
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> --c.a.
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> On 13/11/2019 22:53, James Gannon wrote:
> > Ethos the South African firm is not the same firm that has aquired PIR.
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> > James Gannon
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> > On 14.11.19, 01:48, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Afonso" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > Also, the official statement from ISOC mentions that Ethos Capital is "a
> > strong strategic partner that understands the intricacies of the domain
> > industry and has the expertise, experience and shared values to further
> > advance the goals of .ORG into the future".
> >
> > Just checked their two main websites (Ethos Capital and Ethos) - there
> > is no trace of former experience in dealing with domain names (the
> > acquisition of a South African service provider in 2018
> > notwithstanding). "Shared values" with a financial speculator whose aim
> > is just profit?
> >
> > But, let us face it, everyone knows that PIR was as flexible as any
> > other registry in accepting anyone with a valid international credit
> > card for .org. When the domain was auctioned, APC was the other
> > contender, with a clear proposal to keep the domain as the lair of
> > non-profits. Pity it did not win...
> >
> > fraternal regards
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> > --c.a.
> >
> > On 13/11/2019 15:55, Sam Lanfranco wrote:
> > > Thanks Stephanie,
> > > While PIR said, as recently as last week to me, that PIR was not
> > > considering raising .org registration fees,
> > >
> > > I suspect that the new owners will feel that they are under no obligations
> > > to observe the PIR position.
> > > Oddly, the Ethos website misspells the title of the CEO: Peter
> > > Hayward-Butt, CHEIF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
> > > We shall see.
> > > Sam Lanfranco
> > > ---- Original Message ----From: Stephanie Perrin
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 12:41 PM
> > > Subject: ISOC sells PIR
> > > I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a
> > > slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more.
> > >
> > > https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/
> Ethos-Capital-Acquire-Public-Interest-Registry-Internet
> > > (https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/
> Ethos-Capital-Acquire-Public-Interest-Registry-Internet)
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> > > Stephanie Perrin
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> > > NCSG Chair
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> > Carlos A. Afonso
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> > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br
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