Thanks very much for the additional information Farzaneh, which is very helpful.
In my mind, there is always going to be a fundamental tension between
trying to cast as wide a footprint as possible, in geographic terms,
and ensuring that you don't host meetings in countries with bad human
rights records. You want to try and be inclusive to all parts of the
world, I'm sure, and there's no such thing as a country that has a
fully "clean" human rights record. At the same time, it seems to me to
be a bit distasteful to be discussing Internet freedom issues less
that 15 miles away from where a prominent academic is sitting in jail
for daring to tweet negative things about the government (see
www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/03/uae-prominent-academic-jailed-for-10-years-over-tweets-in-outrageous-blow-to-freedom-of-expression/).
Also, I wonder how ICANN participants from the LGBTQ community feel
about being invited to a meeting where they could be subject to
criminal penalty upon entering the country?
Lots of food for thought going forward, I think.
Michael
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:53 PM, farzaneh badii
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sorry Paul, just to clarify there are already criteria in place for ICANN's
> selection of meeting location https://meetings.icann.org/en/host
>
> But they are limited and don't include some of the criteria that you
> mentioned. Some community members are of the opinion that for example ICANN
> should not be held in countries with bad human rights protection record.
> They have voiced their concern and it might be time to discuss such issues
> and perhaps introduce more criteria.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Farzaneh
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for the update. I guess I am a bit surprised when we have run
>> 60 meetings that there are no criteria for selection. But I guess that’s a
>> reflection of how an organization grows up. Good for the CEO to start down
>> this path.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would hope that the NCSG/NCUC community supports the development of such
>> criteria and works for the inclusion of within the criteria of measurements
>> related to openness, transparency and access within the hosting nation as
>> part of how such selections are made.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>
>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>
>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>
>> www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>
>> My PGP Key:
>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>
>>
>>
>> From: farzaneh badii [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:32 PM
>> To: Paul Rosenzweig <[log in to unmask]>
>> Cc: NCSG List <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Requirements for information about speakers and participants
>> for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>>
>>
>> ICANN at the moment does not have such guidelines but ICANN CEO (as I
>> reported to NCUC) told me that there will be discussions with the community
>> on whether such guidelines and selection criteria of the venue should be
>> introduced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Since I am new to this issue perhaps I have an inadequate background. But
>> doesn’t (or shouldn’t) ICANN have some neutral guidelines for selecting
>> sites for its events. Some might be things like “has enough space and hotel
>> rooms” but others might be things like “minimal, uniform standards for
>> admission to the country”?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>
>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>
>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>
>> www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>
>> My PGP Key:
>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> Michael Karanicolas
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:52 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Requirements for information about speakers and participants
>> for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing that, Carlos, though in the UAE's case it's the tip of
>> the iceberg in terms of torture, arrests, and forced disappearances of
>> government critics:
>> https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/united-arab-emirates/report-united-arab-emirates/.
>> There's a raft of legislation on the books targeting legitimate online
>> speech, most infamously the Cybercrime Law, which includes heavy penalties
>> for deriding or criticizing the government, national symbols, Islam, etc.
>> While we're on the subject, it's also worth noting that homosexuality is a
>> criminal offence in UAE...
>>
>>
>>
>> In terms of how this is going to impact us in terms of content controls or
>> censorship, as a relative newcomer here, I'd be interested to hear from some
>> older hands as to how these challenges have been handled in years past. I
>> see the 2008 AGM was in Cairo, for example. I imagine the 2016 event in
>> Marrakech may have raised these issues as well, to a certain extent, though
>> Morocco has always been a bit more liberal than the Gulf States.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, I wouldn't see it as ICANN's role to be an advocate on this
>> front, but it's certainly relevant to think about, given how many of us in
>> the NCSG are activists by trade.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Julff,
>>
>> Thanks Aresen,
>>
>> separating the speakers from the participants really seems to be a step
>> further than just standard visa requirements. But it is the same country
>> that (together with others) has recently requested Quaoar to shut down a
>> regional news TV station.....
>>
>>
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> ISOC Costa Rica Chapter
>> skype carlos.raulg
>> +506 8837 7176
>> ________
>> Apartado 1571-1000
>> COSTA RICA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Arsène Tungali <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Johan,
>>
>> While I salute their willingness to easy participation, permits for
>> participants, this raises indeed a lot of concerns with regards to
>> personal data as well as the fact that we can foresee some kind of
>> content censorship that might happen at this ICANN meeting.
>>
>> I believe this should be raised somehow here at ICANN59 or being
>> widely shared so that people are aware and are able to communicate or
>> act accordingly.
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>> 2017-06-28 13:47 UTC+02:00, Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> > RIPE75 is taking place in Dubai the week before ICANN60. As a RIPE WG
>> > co-chair, I have been notified that the Department of Tourism and
>> > Commerce Marketing (DCTM) require the following information from all
>> > event participants:
>> >
>> > Full name
>> >
>> > Country of residence
>> > Date of birth
>> > Nationality
>> > Telephone number (mobile or landline)
>> > Email address
>> >
>> > In addition, for all "speakers" ( anyone who is presenting on stage):
>> >
>> > A colour copy of their passport
>> >
>> > Profile/bio for the speaker (at least 200 characters)
>> > Mobile number
>> >
>> > The stated reason is "To facilitate greater efficiency for event
>> > organisers and government entities that are responsible for granting
>> > permits. The data is used to conduct analysis, market research and
>> > examine industry trends. The data is not shared with other event
>> > organisers or ticket resellers/registration companies", but it seems
>> > that the real reason is for security (to avoid anti-government or
>> > anti-religious speakers).
>> >
>> > It is unclear how long they will keep the information supplied or how it
>> > will be handled.
>> >
>> > I am assuming that the same rules apply for ICANN60 too.
>> >
>> > I am probably not the only one that is somewhat concerned...
>> >
>> > Julf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>> Tel: +243 993810967
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>>
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>> & Mexico
>>
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles
>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en> & Marrakech
>>
>> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en>
>> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius
>>
>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
>> - *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
>> Freedom.
>>
>> Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>
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