I do not intend to provide a link, because I know the information can easily be found. The listserv is public - go read the archives yourself. There are hardly any messages on it. The onus is not me to hold your hand and to do your own research.
Ayden
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On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:20, Carlos Afonso <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sorry to say this, but it seems that Ayden cannot find the quoted
> document - otherwise what would be the trouble in pointing to it?
>
> However, I would not be surprised if the chair has a reasonable
> reimbursement for the tremendous work and responsibilities which accrue
> to the job.
>
> fraternal regards
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 07/06/2019 17:59, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> > It is hardly a secret, and anyone who goes through and reads the
> > documents can establish the facts for himself/herself. I appreciate
> > that, as you are a former consultant to the IGF Secretariat, you may
> > have a particular interest in this topic, but whether this fact is
> > well-known or not to IGF Secretariat staff/consultants is an entirely
> > different matter. I do not think it is my responsibility to crawl
> > through the online archives and to provide the evidence here. It's not
> > like I went actively and extensively searching for this information.
> > Anyone would be able to find the same information with a little research
> > and by reading through the email archives.
> > Ayden Férdeline
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:49, James Gannon [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >
> > > I would suggest that if you want to make a claim on a public list that
> > > you at least have a factual basis to back it up no?
> > > As the person making the claim (Which is unknown to anyone I have
> > > spoken to in the IGF sphere today) the onus is on you to back it up.
> > >
> > > *From: *Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]
> > > *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]
> > > *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:48
> > > *To: *James Gannon [log in to unmask]
> > > *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]" [log in to unmask]
> > > *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
> > >
> > > I am not your researcher - please read the list and the documents
> > > yourself. None of this is breaking news, and frankly, finding
> > > citations in support of this is not something I have time to do. I
> > > have read these documents before, so I know they exist if you go
> > > looking for them.
> > >
> > > Ayden
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:44, James Gannon [log in to unmask]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you point to the source of your claim that the host country
> > > pays the MAG Chair?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:43
> > > *To: *James Gannon <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The IGF mailing list is public and does have some interesting
> > > material in there; I encourage people to read the archives then.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ayden
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:41, James Gannon
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The former UNDESA payment I was aware of, I have never heard
> > > of (Before today) the host country paying it since the
> > > discontinuation of the UNDESA payment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:31
> > > *To: *James Gannon <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]"
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought it was reasonably well-known that the MAG Chair was
> > > paid.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Though previously paid by UNDESA, I understand it is now the
> > > host country which funds this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The rationale, as noted in Samantha Dickinson's blog
> > > <https://linguasynaptica.com/category/un/igf/page/2/>, is as
> > > follows: /"In an effort to improve IGF more long-term, this
> > > year, UN DESA took the extraordinary step of paying the MAG
> > > Chair to oversee work to address the ongoing funding shortfall
> > > for the IGF as well as “set up the 2nd decade to meet the
> > > potential of the IGF”.[3]/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /[3] The decision to pay the MAG Chair raises an important
> > > issue for the multistakeholder IGF: while governments and the
> > > large businesses can afford to fund the activities of their
> > > staff performing the role of MAG Chair, civil society, least
> > > developed country governments and SMEs generally do not have
> > > such resources. Paying or reimbursing MAG Chairs might be the
> > > only way to diversify representation at that level, but also
> > > risks creating the sort of Internet governance gravy train
> > > already seen in some ICANN constituencies."/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Note that she is paid substantially less than the former
> > > Executive Coordinator was (though their roles are different,
> > > the MAG Chair has absorbed many of these responsibilities).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ayden Férdeline
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:16, James Gannon
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not mentioned in the IGF Financial Docs at all.
> > >
> > > Could you give a pointer to the data?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From: *NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]> on
> > > behalf of Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 21:52
> > > *To: *"[log in to unmask]"
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is not an allegation. It is a fact. If members of the
> > > MAG are unaware, I suggest that they read the
> > > historical documents on the IGF website.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ayden
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 15:26, Arsène Tungali
> > > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ayden, do you have a way to prouve these “allegations”
> > > about the stipend paid to the MAG Chair?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is unknown from most of us on the MAG and it is
> > > known that this is volunteer work!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would appreciate to hear more on this!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 07 Jun 2019, at 14:53, Ayden Férdeline
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds plausible to me. I believe the meeting
> > > in Guadalajara cost $6 million, but keep in mind the
> > > Mexican government chose to re-paint the conference
> > > venue as it had been open for over a year and had only
> > > hosted one other conference in that time...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > And I believe the host pays the stipend for the MAG
> > > Chair, which is in excess of $125,000 for the four
> > > days of the IGF meeting, along with her substantial
> > > business class travel costs representing the IGF at
> > > external fora such as the WEF throughout the year.
> > > Anecdotally I am told her annual travel costs far more
> > > than her stipend.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > And there are other costs involved that we do not
> > > see, in terms of paying for transcription, translation
> > > for high-level sessions, catering for high-level
> > > participants, the invitation-only gala for governments
> > > and friends of the MAG chair, bringing in security
> > > from New York, travel for MAG members, etc.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Ayden Férdeline
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:47, Arsène Tungali
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >>> Arsène do you have a source for your numbers? Not
> > > that I doubt them, but I'd be curious to have a more
> > > granular understanding of the expenses related to an
> > > IGF meeting.
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> Chengetai said something like this: Host countries
> > > do not have to share the budget with us (read, the IGF
> > > Secretariat). But the cost is generally between $2-3M,
> > > less than that if it is at UN facilities.
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> You can check when the recording of the MAG meeting
> > > will be out.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
>
> Carlos A. Afonso
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