Sorry to say this, but it seems that Ayden cannot find the quoted
document - otherwise what would be the trouble in pointing to it?
However, I would not be surprised if the chair has a reasonable
reimbursement for the tremendous work and responsibilities which accrue
to the job.
fraternal regards
--c.a.
On 07/06/2019 17:59, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> It is hardly a secret, and anyone who goes through and reads the
> documents can establish the facts for himself/herself. I appreciate
> that, as you are a former consultant to the IGF Secretariat, you may
> have a particular interest in this topic, but whether this fact is
> well-known or not to IGF Secretariat staff/consultants is an entirely
> different matter. I do not think it is my responsibility to crawl
> through the online archives and to provide the evidence here. It's not
> like I went actively and extensively searching for this information.
> Anyone would be able to find the same information with a little research
> and by reading through the email archives.
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:49, James Gannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I would suggest that if you want to make a claim on a public list that
>> you at least have a factual basis to back it up no?
>>
>> As the person making the claim (Which is unknown to anyone I have
>> spoken to in the IGF sphere today) the onus is on you to back it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:48
>> *To: *James Gannon <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not your researcher - please read the list and the documents
>> yourself. None of this is breaking news, and frankly, finding
>> citations in support of this is not something I have time to do. I
>> have read these documents before, so I know they exist if you go
>> looking for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>
>> On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:44, James Gannon <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you point to the source of your claim that the host country
>> pays the MAG Chair?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:43
>> *To: *James Gannon <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
>>
>>
>>
>> The IGF mailing list is public and does have some interesting
>> material in there; I encourage people to read the archives then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>
>> On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:41, James Gannon
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The former UNDESA payment I was aware of, I have never heard
>> of (Before today) the host country paying it since the
>> discontinuation of the UNDESA payment.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:31
>> *To: *James Gannon <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Cc: *"[log in to unmask]"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought it was reasonably well-known that the MAG Chair was
>> paid.
>>
>>
>>
>> Though previously paid by UNDESA, I understand it is now the
>> host country which funds this.
>>
>>
>>
>> The rationale, as noted in Samantha Dickinson's blog
>> <https://linguasynaptica.com/category/un/igf/page/2/>, is as
>> follows: /"In an effort to improve IGF more long-term, this
>> year, UN DESA took the extraordinary step of paying the MAG
>> Chair to oversee work to address the ongoing funding shortfall
>> for the IGF as well as “set up the 2nd decade to meet the
>> potential of the IGF”.[3]/
>>
>>
>>
>> /[3] The decision to pay the MAG Chair raises an important
>> issue for the multistakeholder IGF: while governments and the
>> large businesses can afford to fund the activities of their
>> staff performing the role of MAG Chair, civil society, least
>> developed country governments and SMEs generally do not have
>> such resources. Paying or reimbursing MAG Chairs might be the
>> only way to diversify representation at that level, but also
>> risks creating the sort of Internet governance gravy train
>> already seen in some ICANN constituencies."/
>>
>>
>>
>> Note that she is paid substantially less than the former
>> Executive Coordinator was (though their roles are different,
>> the MAG Chair has absorbed many of these responsibilities).
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:16, James Gannon
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Not mentioned in the IGF Financial Docs at all.
>>
>> Could you give a pointer to the data?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *NCSG-Discuss <[log in to unmask]> on
>> behalf of Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Date: *Friday, 7 June 2019 at 21:52
>> *To: *"[log in to unmask]"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject: *Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland
>>
>>
>>
>> It is not an allegation. It is a fact. If members of the
>> MAG are unaware, I suggest that they read the
>> historical documents on the IGF website.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 15:26, Arsène Tungali
>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ayden, do you have a way to prouve these “allegations”
>> about the stipend paid to the MAG Chair?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is unknown from most of us on the MAG and it is
>> known that this is volunteer work!
>>
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate to hear more on this!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 07 Jun 2019, at 14:53, Ayden Férdeline
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > That sounds plausible to me. I believe the meeting
>> in Guadalajara cost $6 million, but keep in mind the
>> Mexican government chose to re-paint the conference
>> venue as it had been open for over a year and had only
>> hosted one other conference in that time...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > And I believe the host pays the stipend for the MAG
>> Chair, which is in excess of $125,000 for the four
>> days of the IGF meeting, along with her substantial
>> business class travel costs representing the IGF at
>> external fora such as the WEF throughout the year.
>> Anecdotally I am told her annual travel costs far more
>> than her stipend.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > And there are other costs involved that we do not
>> see, in terms of paying for transcription, translation
>> for high-level sessions, catering for high-level
>> participants, the invitation-only gala for governments
>> and friends of the MAG chair, bringing in security
>> from New York, travel for MAG members, etc.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Ayden Férdeline
>>
>> >
>>
>> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
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>> > On Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:47, Arsène Tungali
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>> Arsène do you have a source for your numbers? Not
>> that I doubt them, but I'd be curious to have a more
>> granular understanding of the expenses related to an
>> IGF meeting.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Chengetai said something like this: Host countries
>> do not have to share the budget with us (read, the IGF
>> Secretariat). But the cost is generally between $2-3M,
>> less than that if it is at UN facilities.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> You can check when the recording of the MAG meeting
>> will be out.
>>
>> >
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Carlos A. Afonso
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