Hi James,

Fair enough, sure there are situations where one can do that, depends
on the positions in question and other tasks and duties one has.

Anyway, I brought this up because I was asked offlist if it's possible,
so it clearly is not entirely obvious.

I don't see it as a big problem as long as people are aware of the
rules before the election process begins, but might be worth
clarifying in some rule summary to be published before elections.

Tapani

On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 09:52:53AM +0100, [log in to unmask] ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
> 
> Well it is possible in fairness, I serve in 3 positions right now, its a case of each individual making that choice, I would not see it as electioneering unless they intentionally dont make it clear when asked which was their preferred choice.
> 
> 
> ---
> James Gannon
> On 6/3/2020 9:49:56 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi James and Arsène,
> 
> I agree that the workload would make it impractical to actually serve
> in two positions simultaneously. but that's not the question I was asking.
> 
> The idea was that one might run for multiple positions with the intent
> on serving only (or at most) one, if one is unsure which would be
> easier for them to win.
> 
> Election tactics as it were.
> 
> And as far as I can tell it would be legal, although chances are
> voters would not like it so it would just backfire. But I can
> imagine situations where it would be effective.
> 
> Tapani
> 
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 10:19:14AM +0200, Arsène Tungali ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
> >
> > Agreed, and I can’t even imagine how one can be Councillor and NCSG Chair at the same time, how can they manage? Both positions are too demanding!
> >
> > All in all, if there are no rules against and if the membership is okay with one "serving” in multiple positions across the Cs and SG, then they can elect them. But this has to be clearly disclosed by the candidate/officer.
> >
> > > On 3 Jun 2020, at 10:05, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > >
> > > I think its more of an individuals choice on bandwidth and availability, if they are able to commit to the multiple workloads then I dont see why not, barring seating conflicts.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > James Gannon
> > >> On 6/3/2020 8:32:17 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I was asked if it is possible to run for multiple positions at the
> > >> same time in NCSG/NCUC/NPOC elections.
> > >>
> > >> As far as I can tell there's no rule against it, but there are
> > >> better rule-readers than me here (hi Amr) so...
> > >>
> > >> This is not purely theoretical, even though it is not
> > >> relevant to the present elections, and it would be good
> > >> to be clear about it well before the next round.
> > >>
> > >> And this is a good time to collect all things that might
> > >> cause problems in elections, loopholes that should be closed &c.
> > >> After the elections are over nobody will have energy to think
> > >> about them.
> > >>
> > >> Note, the question is about running for the positions, not about
> > >> serving in them at the same time: that is a separate issue
> > >> (interesting in its own right to be sure).
> > >>
> > >> That is, one could run for several positions and, if elected
> > >> to more than one, choose one of them at that point.
> > >>
> > >> And I'm not talking about whether or not it would be a good idea,
> > >> but about what current rules actually say about it. (We might
> > >> end up wanting to change them, but that's for later.)
> > >>
> > >> There are a few distinct cases:
> > >>
> > >> First, running for Council (or NCSG Chair) and either
> > >> NCUC EC or NPOC ExCom (or Chair of either) at the same time.
> > >>
> > >> As far as I can see the three elections are formally distinct
> > >> so one could indeed run in them all.
> > >>
> > >> In the past when the elections were ran at different times one could
> > >> resign from the previously-held position upon being elected to a new
> > >> one, but now when they're simultaneous the situation at least feels
> > >> different (and may even formally be in some cases).
> > >>
> > >> Second, running for positions in both NCUC and NPOC.
> > >> There's clearly no rule against that, indeed there's precedent
> > >> in even serving in both at once.
> > >>
> > >> Third, could one run for both Council and NCSG Chair at
> > >> the same time? I don't see any rule against that either.
> > >>
> > >> Fourth, running simultaneously for NCUC EC and NCUC Chair, or NPOC
> > >> ExCom and NPOC Chair, or for multiple positions in NPOC ExCom
> > >> (theoretically possible unlike in NCUC, where they're tied to
> > >> regions).
> > >>
> > >> NPOC does have a rule excluding councillors from ExCom and people from
> > >> holding multiple ExCom positions at the same time, but it is not clear
> > >> that it applies to *running* for them at the same time (arguably it
> > >> could be so read though).
> > >>
> > >> NCUC doesn't seem to have such rules at all, although NCUC bylaws
> > >> implicitly prevent NCUC Chair from being a regional representative at
> > >> the same time and (less clearly) NCSG Chair as well, but I see nothing
> > >> explicit there against councillors being EC members, let alone against
> > >> running for both.
> > >>
> > >> NCSG likewise: there's certainly no rule against NCSG EC members being
> > >> also constituency ExCom/EC members or Chairs (indeed it has happened
> > >> quite often in the past), but I can't see any rule against a
> > >> constituency EC member being NCSG Chair either, or even a councillor
> > >> being NCSG Chair. Even if some such limitations could be implied, I
> > >> don't see anything there either against running for multiple positions
> > >> like that, with the intent of serving only in one.
> > >>
> > >> Have I missed or misread something?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Tapani Tarvainen
> >
> 
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen

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