Hi Arsene,
The edit that I made 40 minutes after sending that email was to insert the words, "within the NCSG," into a sentence, as I noticed it was incomplete. I'm surprised that this small edit has alleviated your long list of concerns, but I'm really pleased to hear this.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 23 July 2018 5:22 PM, Arsène Tungali <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> I don't want to dive into speculations nor respond to those
>
> unnecessary claims and accusations that you publicly send my way. This
>
> is quite a habit you have and it is not surprising, my hope is to see
>
> you change this way of treating your fellows. If at all it happens. We
>
> all do things here with good faith not to harm anyone, i hope you too.
>
> I don't do competition here and this should be clear. I simply
>
> contribute whenever I can and with what I have. I also sometimes have
>
> to emphasize on something someone else said but which was not acted
>
> upon. And this is just an example.
>
> You should be honest and say (you actually don't need to say it as it
>
> can be seen on the google doc) that you made the edits exactly 40
>
> minutes after I have commented (adding substance to Martin's comment
>
> that you ignored for almost two days) and after I sent this email with
>
> my general comments, in the same spirit as Martin's.
>
> So, thanks for making the edits that answer my main concern, the fact
>
> that it is only within the NCSG that we do policy work, not the whole
>
> of ICANN and we should not expect every single fellow to do policy.
>
> In the end, that's what matters, when suggested edits are being taken
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> into account, nothing else. That's what encourages to contribute to
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> public comments.
>
> Regards,
>
> Arsene
>
> 2018-07-23 16:57 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
>
> > Hi Arsène,
> >
> > I responded to your email already. I’m not sure what else you want me to
> >
> > say. Your "concerns" just don’t reflect an understanding of the text that is
> >
> > in the current comment.
> >
> > Here’s what I think happened. Last week on the Policy Committee list, Martín
> >
> > raised essentially the same comment you made today. His concerns were noted,
> >
> > and the comment was edited accordingly.
> >
> > So, I think you did not read the comment very carefully and simply rehashed
> >
> > the same point Martín had already made, unaware the comment had already been
> >
> > edited to address his concerns. You do this quite a bit. You frequently
> >
> > appropriate others ideas as your own.
> >
> > Ayden
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 16:48, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask]
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ayden,
> > >
> > > 2018-07-23 16:28 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
> > >
> > > > With respect, did you actually read the comment?
> > > >
> > > > I find this rather disrepectful and if you were an honest person, you
> > > >
> > > > should send your public apologies for insinuating this. This is
> > > >
> > > > terrible coming from a community leader and I personally find it very
> > > >
> > > > offensive. You should have seen the comment link and my suggested
> > > >
> > > > edits before responding to this email.
> > >
> > > > We state on the first page that there are, "two purposes recognised for
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > existence of the Fellowship Program: one is to increase ICANN’s global
> > > >
> > > > reach
> > > >
> > > > and to have a local presence; a focal point or an advocate who
> > > >
> > > > understands
> > > >
> > > > their local Internet governance landscape and its broader global impact
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > who can help ICANN to increase awareness about Internet governance issues
> > > >
> > > > and specifically ICANN’s mission and mandate in their country and in
> > > >
> > > > their
> > > >
> > > > region. ... The other purpose for the fellowship is to get the fellows
> > > >
> > > > engaged with internal ICANN policy development processes and to help the
> > > >
> > > > Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees (SO/ACs) recruit the
> > > >
> > > > fellows to join their SO/ACs."
> > > >
> > > > So, unless I have misunderstood your email, I believe the text of our
> > > >
> > > > proposed statement already addresses your concerns.
> > > >
> > > > I would encourage you to re-read my email and respond to it (or not,
> > > >
> > > > it is up to you because you don't have to if you have nothing
> > > >
> > > > constructive) rather than pasting a section of the comment (which is
> > > >
> > > > in the suggested comment under discussion).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Arsene
> > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Ayden Férdeline
> > > >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > >
> > > > On 23 July 2018 4:04 PM, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to the small team for this draft. I have read it and support
> > > > >
> > > > > many of the concerns raised with regards to the suggested improvements
> > > > >
> > > > > to the Fellowship Program and have made few suggested edits.
> > > > >
> > > > > I, however, have a general comment and wanted to bring it here instead
> > > > >
> > > > > as it is not related to a specific section of our comment but rather
> > > > >
> > > > > the general spirit behind the comment.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do agree that we should encourage fellows to be doing policy work
> > > > >
> > > > > and that ICANN should provide metrics that tell us how fellows have
> > > > >
> > > > > been involved into policy work. That's true and i would like to see
> > > > >
> > > > > those metrics developed. And such a request is genuine from our point
> > > > >
> > > > > of view because we are part of the GNSO and our work is to do policy.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, our comments seem to ask that the whole Fellowship program
> > > > >
> > > > > brings solely people who will be doing DNS policy though ICANN is not
> > > > >
> > > > > only about policy. I believe there are so many other things happening
> > > > >
> > > > > at ICANN including the security aspect of the DNS where there is a
> > > > >
> > > > > need for people, etc. The GNSO is the only place for policy
> > > > >
> > > > > development but other SO/AC do not solely do policy, there is a need
> > > > >
> > > > > for fellows who will also be interested in that part of ICANN.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also believe ICANN Org needs to be present all over the world to
> > > > >
> > > > > ensure everyone is aware of its work within the Internet ecosystem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hence the need to bring in fellows who might also help it meet that
> > > > >
> > > > > objective. These people might not be interested at the end in doing
> > > > >
> > > > > policy but they might be interested in being involved for example into
> > > > >
> > > > > the DNS business or into advocacy to help their countries better
> > > > >
> > > > > manage their ccTLD etc and this is all ICANN.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope i am making my point clear. I don't want us to forget that
> > > > >
> > > > > there are so many other things going on at ICANN outside of the policy
> > > > >
> > > > > making and have this reflected in our comments. Of course, we should
> > > > >
> > > > > speak about our desire to have fellows who will also be involved in
> > > > >
> > > > > policy and encourage all those who are our members to do so since they
> > > > >
> > > > > have decided to be part of the GNSO (through the NCUC/NPOC/NCSG).
> > > > >
> > > > > I am glad many of the improvements we suggested in our first comment
> > > > >
> > > > > were taken into account. Let's see how this new strategy will be
> > > > >
> > > > > implemented and what results it will bring.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Arsene
> > > > >
> > > > > 2018-07-23 11:49 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Over the past few weeks a small team has been drafting an NCSG comment
> > > > > >
> > > > > > on
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the proposed changes to the ICANN Fellowship Program. We now have a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > first
> > > > > >
> > > > > > draft ready for your review:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUjAgOGtp3FLX6AsrGpmqC6mnQ17qNRkqQJHpvPYh-Q/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are open to constructive edits that address the proposal put
> > > > > >
> > > > > > forward
> > > > > >
> > > > > > byICANN org in thisdocument.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please propose edits directly into our Google Doc (preferred method),
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or
> > > > > >
> > > > > > on
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this mailing list, by COB in your timezone on Wednesday 25 July.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday the statement, and any input received, will be shared with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NCSG Policy Committee for its review and potential endorsement. The
> > > > > >
> > > > > > deadline
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for submission of comments on this issue is Friday 27 July.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ayden Férdeline
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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>
> --
>
> Arsène Tungali http://about.me/ArseneTungali
>
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international
>
> http://www.rudiinternational.org,
>
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl https://www.smart-kitoko.com/*, *Mabingwa Forum
>
> http://www.mabingwa-forum.com*
>
> Tel: +243 993810967
>
> GPG: 523644A0
>
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>
> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>
> http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors
>
> & Mexico
>
> http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors)
>
> - AFRISIG 2016 http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/ - Blogger
>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com - ICANN's GNSO Council
>
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
>
> Mauritius
>
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners)*
>
> - *IGFSA Member http://www.igfsa.org/ - Internet Governance - Internet
>
> Freedom.
>
> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report (English
>
> http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234) and (French
>
> http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242)
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