Let's take this conversation offline, Arsene.
Best wishes, Ayden
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 23 July 2018 5:54 PM, Arsène Tungali <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Oh yes Ayden, that addition changed the spirit of the sentence and
>
> that's was my point. You forgot another edit you did at the same time
>
> (40 minutes after my email) to make it even more clearer: "who are
>
> affiliated with the NCSG". The later, as well as the former, were very
>
> important to mean what I suggested to be reflected.
>
> 2018-07-23 17:46 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
>
> > Hi Arsene,
> >
> > The edit that I made 40 minutes after sending that email was to insert the
> >
> > words, "within the NCSG," into a sentence, as I noticed it was incomplete.
> >
> > I'm surprised that this small edit has alleviated your long list of
> >
> > concerns, but I'm really pleased to hear this.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ayden Férdeline
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 23 July 2018 5:22 PM, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ayden,
> > >
> > > I don't want to dive into speculations nor respond to those
> > >
> > > unnecessary claims and accusations that you publicly send my way. This
> > >
> > > is quite a habit you have and it is not surprising, my hope is to see
> > >
> > > you change this way of treating your fellows. If at all it happens. We
> > >
> > > all do things here with good faith not to harm anyone, i hope you too.
> > >
> > > I don't do competition here and this should be clear. I simply
> > >
> > > contribute whenever I can and with what I have. I also sometimes have
> > >
> > > to emphasize on something someone else said but which was not acted
> > >
> > > upon. And this is just an example.
> > >
> > > You should be honest and say (you actually don't need to say it as it
> > >
> > > can be seen on the google doc) that you made the edits exactly 40
> > >
> > > minutes after I have commented (adding substance to Martin's comment
> > >
> > > that you ignored for almost two days) and after I sent this email with
> > >
> > > my general comments, in the same spirit as Martin's.
> > >
> > > So, thanks for making the edits that answer my main concern, the fact
> > >
> > > that it is only within the NCSG that we do policy work, not the whole
> > >
> > > of ICANN and we should not expect every single fellow to do policy.
> > >
> > > In the end, that's what matters, when suggested edits are being taken
> > >
> > > into account, nothing else. That's what encourages to contribute to
> > >
> > > public comments.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Arsene
> > >
> > > 2018-07-23 16:57 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
> > >
> > > > Hi Arsène,
> > > >
> > > > I responded to your email already. I’m not sure what else you want me
> > > >
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > say. Your "concerns" just don’t reflect an understanding of the text
> > > >
> > > > that is
> > > >
> > > > in the current comment.
> > > >
> > > > Here’s what I think happened. Last week on the Policy Committee list,
> > > >
> > > > Martín
> > > >
> > > > raised essentially the same comment you made today. His concerns were
> > > >
> > > > noted,
> > > >
> > > > and the comment was edited accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > So, I think you did not read the comment very carefully and simply
> > > >
> > > > rehashed
> > > >
> > > > the same point Martín had already made, unaware the comment had already
> > > >
> > > > been
> > > >
> > > > edited to address his concerns. You do this quite a bit. You frequently
> > > >
> > > > appropriate others ideas as your own.
> > > >
> > > > Ayden
> > > >
> > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 16:48, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ayden,
> > > > >
> > > > > 2018-07-23 16:28 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
> > > > >
> > > > > > With respect, did you actually read the comment?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I find this rather disrepectful and if you were an honest person,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > should send your public apologies for insinuating this. This is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > terrible coming from a community leader and I personally find it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > very
> > > > > >
> > > > > > offensive. You should have seen the comment link and my suggested
> > > > > >
> > > > > > edits before responding to this email.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We state on the first page that there are, "two purposes recognised
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > existence of the Fellowship Program: one is to increase ICANN’s
> > > > > >
> > > > > > global
> > > > > >
> > > > > > reach
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and to have a local presence; a focal point or an advocate who
> > > > > >
> > > > > > understands
> > > > > >
> > > > > > their local Internet governance landscape and its broader global
> > > > > >
> > > > > > impact
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > who can help ICANN to increase awareness about Internet governance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > issues
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and specifically ICANN’s mission and mandate in their country and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > their
> > > > > >
> > > > > > region. ... The other purpose for the fellowship is to get the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fellows
> > > > > >
> > > > > > engaged with internal ICANN policy development processes and to help
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees (SO/ACs) recruit
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fellows to join their SO/ACs."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, unless I have misunderstood your email, I believe the text of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > our
> > > > > >
> > > > > > proposed statement already addresses your concerns.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would encourage you to re-read my email and respond to it (or
> > > > > >
> > > > > > not,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it is up to you because you don't have to if you have nothing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > constructive) rather than pasting a section of the comment (which
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > in the suggested comment under discussion).
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Arsene
> > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ayden Férdeline
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 23 July 2018 4:04 PM, Arsène Tungali [log in to unmask]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks to the small team for this draft. I have read it and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > many of the concerns raised with regards to the suggested
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > improvements
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to the Fellowship Program and have made few suggested edits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I, however, have a general comment and wanted to bring it here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > instead
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as it is not related to a specific section of our comment but
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the general spirit behind the comment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do agree that we should encourage fellows to be doing policy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > work
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and that ICANN should provide metrics that tell us how fellows
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > been involved into policy work. That's true and i would like to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > those metrics developed. And such a request is genuine from our
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > point
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of view because we are part of the GNSO and our work is to do
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > policy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, our comments seem to ask that the whole Fellowship
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > program
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > brings solely people who will be doing DNS policy though ICANN is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > only about policy. I believe there are so many other things
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > happening
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > at ICANN including the security aspect of the DNS where there is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > need for people, etc. The GNSO is the only place for policy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > development but other SO/AC do not solely do policy, there is a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for fellows who will also be interested in that part of ICANN.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also believe ICANN Org needs to be present all over the world
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ensure everyone is aware of its work within the Internet
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ecosystem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hence the need to bring in fellows who might also help it meet
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > objective. These people might not be interested at the end in
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > policy but they might be interested in being involved for example
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the DNS business or into advocacy to help their countries better
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > manage their ccTLD etc and this is all ICANN.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope i am making my point clear. I don't want us to forget that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > there are so many other things going on at ICANN outside of the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > policy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > making and have this reflected in our comments. Of course, we
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > speak about our desire to have fellows who will also be involved
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > policy and encourage all those who are our members to do so since
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > have decided to be part of the GNSO (through the NCUC/NPOC/NCSG).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am glad many of the improvements we suggested in our first
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > comment
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > were taken into account. Let's see how this new strategy will be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > implemented and what results it will bring.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arsene
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2018-07-23 11:49 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline [log in to unmask]:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Over the past few weeks a small team has been drafting an NCSG
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > comment
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the proposed changes to the ICANN Fellowship Program. We now
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > draft ready for your review:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUjAgOGtp3FLX6AsrGpmqC6mnQ17qNRkqQJHpvPYh-Q/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We are open to constructive edits that address the proposal put
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > byICANN org in thisdocument.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please propose edits directly into our Google Doc (preferred
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > method),
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > this mailing list, by COB in your timezone on Wednesday 25
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > July.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thursday the statement, and any input received, will be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > shared with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NCSG Policy Committee for its review and potential endorsement.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > deadline
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > for submission of comments on this issue is Friday 27 July.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ayden Férdeline
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report (English
> > > > >
> > > > > http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234) and (French
> > > > >
> > > > > http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242)
> > >
> > > --
> > >
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> > >
> > > Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international
> > >
> > > http://www.rudiinternational.org,
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Freedom.
> > >
> > > Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report (English
> > >
> > > http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234) and (French
> > >
> > > http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242)
>
> --
>
> Arsène Tungali http://about.me/ArseneTungali
>
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international
>
> http://www.rudiinternational.org,
>
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl https://www.smart-kitoko.com/*, *Mabingwa Forum
>
> http://www.mabingwa-forum.com*
>
> Tel: +243 993810967
>
> GPG: 523644A0
>
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>
> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>
> http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors
>
> & Mexico
>
> http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors)
>
> - AFRISIG 2016 http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/ - Blogger
>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com - ICANN's GNSO Council
>
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
>
> Mauritius
>
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners)*
>
> - *IGFSA Member http://www.igfsa.org/ - Internet Governance - Internet
>
> Freedom.
>
> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report (English
>
> http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234) and (French
>
> http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242)
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