Hi
@Amr, I dont really agree with the fact the geographical diversity is
more important at the WG than Council,
I think that the implementation and management of recommendations
should also obey the rigor of diversity, to ensure compliance
2019-12-17 14:45 UTC+01:00, Amr Elsadr <[log in to unmask]>:
> Hi,
>
> In my experience, geographical diversity isn’t so much of a pressing issue
> as far as the Council is concerned. This is likely due to the GNSO Council’s
> rather narrow remit. Unless I’ve forgotten, or I’ve missed it, over the past
> decade, not once was there an issue on the Council agenda where there was a
> diversity of opinions or positions attributed to a need to be sensitive to
> issues unique to a specific region. I’d say that this perspective is more
> important at the Working Group level, where policy recommendations are
> developed, not on the Council, where the process to develop those
> recommendations is managed.
>
> However, that is just my opinion, and it matters little since there are
> guidelines to be followed, which NCSG has to abide by. Historically, the
> NCSG has done far better at observing both geographic and gender diversity
> in its Council representation, anyway. More often than not, this has been
> due to the diverse nature of this Stakeholder Group, and not because of
> restrictions imposed on us by ICANN’s Bylaws or the NCSG Charter.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> You have put your finger on it Caleb, it is indeed a rather odd system.
>> In theory, you could run 12 folks from different regions of Africa (or
>> Europe, or North America, etc) who were domiciled in the other ICANN
>> regions of the world, and they would all be eligible if they declared
>> according to residence. I am not sure that this is a great way to
>> represent the stakeholders of the different regions of the world, but it
>> is what our charter says we do. And very confusing.
>>
>> We are looking into updating those pages, and my apologies for adding to
>> the confusion!
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> On 2019-12-17 07:55, James Gannon wrote:
>>
>>> Members choose their self-declaration so it is up to them, which is a
>>> good solution as long as we stick to a single source of truth (Which is
>>> the SOI)
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> James Gannon
>>>
>>> From: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
>>> [<[log in to unmask]>](mailto:[log in to unmask])
>>> Date: Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 12:53
>>> To: James Gannon [<[log in to unmask]>](mailto:[log in to unmask])
>>> Cc: ncsg discuss
>>> [<[log in to unmask]>](mailto:[log in to unmask])
>>> Subject: Re: Council Member replacement
>>>
>>> [@James Gannon](mailto:[log in to unmask])
>>>
>>> With this, it probably looks like Africa has no representation by the
>>> mere look of the SOIs.
>>>
>>> I'm I missing something? The confusion caused by region which one os
>>> domiciled seems to play a more prominent role than by nationality and
>>> regional representation?
>>>
>>> Caleb Ogundele
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:33 PM James Gannon
>>> [<[log in to unmask]>](mailto:[log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>>
>>>> For Council elections/selections the relevant source of truth is the
>>>> GNSO SOI's and Council declarations mentioned here:
>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/council
>>>>
>>>> Rafik Dammak (SOI) - AAPAC (AGM 2020)
>>>> Elsa Saade (SOI) – NA – (AGM 2020)
>>>> Tatiana Tropina (SOI) – EU (AGM 2021)
>>>> Martin Silva Valent (SOI) – LAC (AGM 2020)
>>>> Farell Folly (SOI) – EU (AGM 2021)
>>>> Farzaneh Badii (SOI) – NA (AGM 2021)
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> James Gannon
>>>>
>>>> On 17.12.19, 12:30, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen"
>>>> <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi James,
>>>>
>>>> My apologies if I made a mistake, but looking at the page Stephanie
>>>> pointed to, I see the regions as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Africa: Rafik Dammak and Farell Folly
>>>> Asia-Pacific: Elsa Saade
>>>> Europe: Tatiana Tropina
>>>> Latin America: Martin Pablo Valent
>>>>
>>>> Cf. https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg
>>>>
>>>> If that's not correct then my analysis obviously needs to be
>>>> adjusted
>>>> accordingly. I am aware that Rafik lives in Japan, but our rules and
>>>> precedents give some leeway for people who have ties in multiple
>>>> regions to choose which they choose to declare (I oversimplified in
>>>> saying residence is the determining factor), and I presumed the
>>>> above
>>>> page to indicate Rafik has chosen to declare Africa according to his
>>>> native Tunisia.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 17 12:03, James Gannon ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > This doesn't match with the current declared regions of our
>>>> councilors, I think it would be most appropriate for the EC to weigh in
>>>> on eligibility concerns.
>>>> >
>>>> > ---
>>>> > James Gannon
>>>> >
>>>> > On 17.12.19, 06:29, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen"
>>>> <[log in to unmask] behalf of [log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi James,
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, you are eligible, indeed in a slightly favoured position.
>>>> >
>>>> > It's residence that counts, not country of origin. If you live
>>>> and pay
>>>> > taxes in the USA or Canada, you are North American for this
>>>> purpose.
>>>> >
>>>> > Otherwise, looking at current council composition and NCSG
>>>> charter,
>>>> > the situation is briefly like this:
>>>> >
>>>> > * An African can only be selected if there are no other viable
>>>> > candidates (as there already are two Africans). This is a hard
>>>> > rule, "To the maximum extent possible", but as noted it would
>>>> > not exclude you if you are North American resident now.
>>>> >
>>>> > * Of two otherwise equally competent candidates, a North
>>>> American
>>>> > would be preferred over others and a woman over a man. These
>>>> are
>>>> > softer rules, "Reasonable efforts", so other qualifications
>>>> could
>>>> > be more important.
>>>> >
>>>> > Tapani
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:33:37PM -0600, KASWESHA
>>>> ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am currently settled in North America but I am not very
>>>> sure whether I am
>>>> > > eligible. Somebody advise.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards;
>>>> > >
>>>> > > James Njoroge Gitau
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 12:34 PM Stephanie Perrin <
>>>> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > As members will have seen, Farzaneh Badii has resigned her
>>>> council seat,
>>>> > > > so it is the responsibility of the NCSG Executive
>>>> Committee to select a
>>>> > > > replacement until the next election takes place in summer
>>>> 2020. In order
>>>> > > > to enable this, we are seeking expressions of interest in
>>>> the position.
>>>> > > > Please send your statement of interest to me, copy Maryam
>>>> Bakoshi, before
>>>> > > > the 28th of December. For your interest, the relevant
>>>> section of the
>>>> > > > Charter concerning these circumstances is paragraph 2,
>>>> section 3.2 (copied
>>>> > > > below). For information about the current composition of
>>>> the council see
>>>> > > >
>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg. We
>>>> > > > appear to have representation from everywhere except North
>>>> America.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Stephanie Perrin
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Section 3.2 para 2
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > In the event that a GNSO Council Representatives is unable
>>>> to finish his
>>>> > > > or her term, the NCSG EC will appoint a temporary GNSO
>>>> Council
>>>> > > > Representative to serve until the next regularly scheduled
>>>> election as
>>>> > > > provided in Section 3.8 of the GOP. At that time, a new
>>>> GNSO Council
>>>> > > > Representative will be elected to serve out the balance of
>>>> the vacated
>>>> > > > term, if any.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Tapani Tarvainen
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ogundele Olumuyiwa Caleb
>>>
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