Hi Rafik,

Not disagreeing with any of this. The Board can't fix our internal
issues, but they can (if they so choose) fix the procedural issues
and inertia that frustrates all of us. I am already talking inofficially
with the board members I know personally, and I am hoping for
opportunities to talk to them more generally.

	Julf

On 17-09-2022 03:50, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> HI Julf,
> 
> 
> Thanks for replying but still: it is like the initiative about MSM 
> effectiveness. Those efforts are not gonna help for any issue related to 
> volunteers if we don't solve them upstream, from the source.
> We need to really reduce and prioritize the initiatives and focus on 
> policy making first which means back to fundamentals for ICANN. It also 
> means solving issues for the whole pipeline, as I wrote we got policy 
> recommendations, meaning community hard fought deliverables stuck at 
> ICANN org and board side for too long with the real threat of 
> relitigation and redoing the work . How we can talk about fixing 
> volunteers burnout when those who put time and effort cannot see the 
> outcome of their work for long times.
> 
> I can appreciate there is goodwill from some board members but I expect 
> them to do their main duties first like reviewing and approving policy 
> recommendations in due time, keeping the CEO from initiating several of 
> his projects, same for the board too because they have the ability to 
> get the budget (community doesn't have that privilege)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 18:13 Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Rafik,
> 
>      > Regarding volunteers, I disagree with Julf. Maybe I am a minority
>     here
>      > but I don't believe it is the board or CEO role to solve that for
>     us.
> 
>     It is definitely not Göran pushing this, but as far as I understand
>     the NCSG-friendly board members, especially Matthew.
> 
>              Julf
>