I totally agree, Caleb - we all seem to be on the same page
on this. Will sound out some Board members privately first,
but then we need to address it officially as well.
Julf
On 17-09-2022 11:11, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> Thank you Juff,
>
> I'm happy to read your commitment and support for this. While we should
> come up with a good strategy as suggested you and Farzii, we should test
> the waters with this opportunity of asking the board for thier views.
>
> This opportunity of asking the board informally for thier views could
> perhaps help us test the waters and strengthen our internal strategy and
> position + next steps of documenting a formal approach.
>
> Thank you
>
> Caleb Ogundele
>
> ________________
>
> Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device.
>
> Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 10:10 PM Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Hi Caleb,
>
> It is my understanding (but I might be completely wrong) that the board
> has already signalled that this is a GNSO matter, but yes, we should
> continue pushing. We shouild also continue to push the contracted
> parties.
>
> Julf
>
> On 15-09-2022 06:16, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> > Hi Johan,
> >
> > I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it
> comes to
> > NomCom rebalancing.
> >
> > If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the board
> > except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then
> we can
> > do internal constituency rebalancing.
> >
> > The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat they
> > have and so it's good we make our case clear enough.
> >
> > Caleb
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bruna,
> >
> > Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for
> quite
> > a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition
> Program
> > Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to them
> > to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.
> >
> > The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be
> primarily
> > a GNSO Council issue.
> >
> > The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look
> at the
> > most recent NomCom appointments).
> >
> > Julf
> >
> >
> > On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> > > Hello, all,
> > >
> > > Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following
> > questions
> > > are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:
> > >
> > > 1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN
> recycling
> > > veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board
> think it’s
> > > beneficial for the community to have the usual
> suspects rotating
> > > between leadership roles of different stakeholder groups?
> > How do we
> > > fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the Board
> > imagine
> > > its role in assisting the community to recruit more new
> > blood?____/
> > > 2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/
> > > 3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the
> > community from
> > > volunteer fatigue?/
> > >
> > >
> > > To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set of
> > questions
> > > because these are either a. questions that cant necessarily be
> > solved by
> > > the board or b. things we have addressed with them before.
> Topics
> > like
> > > 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for more
> > than just
> > > one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound
> like a
> > broken
> > > radio repeating the same problems over and over again;
> added to
> > that I
> > > think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least
> one policy
> > > topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its
> proposed
> > > sounds a little empty.
> > >
> > > In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy
> topic I can
> > > still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of
> > changing one
> > > of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to suggest
> > something.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Bruna
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> > > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sam,
> > >
> > > Good observations. I can understand why you put the
> focus on
> > career
> > > progression but I think significant focus needs to
> also be put on
> > > the category where participation is heavily motivated
> by simply
> > > doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you
> suggest,
> > this
> > > category will neither build career capital nor will it
> > provide any
> > > resources for ICANN participation.
> > >
> > > Those in this category may have active careers, but
> their careers
> > > are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their career
> > does not
> > > benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN. The
> > employers
> > > of those in this category are often not interested in
> ICANN's
> > work
> > > and do not support them in any way, even with leave
> off work to
> > > travel to an ICANN meeting.
> > >
> > > Therefore, those in this category will certainly
> benefit and can
> > > only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources were
> > based on
> > > participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes the
> > > "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more
> > complex. Not
> > > recognising that this category of volunteers also heavily
> > depend on
> > > ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as
> well.
> > >
> > > Warmly,
> > > Tomslin
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco,
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like to add a couple of comments here. For
> years
> > I ran
> > > the listserv for the International Society for
> Third Sector
> > > Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on
> > volunteerism
> > > and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem, and
> > several
> > > patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers
> are dwindling
> > > through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger volunteers
> > are less
> > > forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is that
> > due to a
> > > generational behavioral shift or the changing
> demands of
> > careers
> > > and volunteer work?
> > >
> > > Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are
> motivated by
> > three
> > > drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal
> satisfaction; (3)
> > career
> > > advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder
> model, outside
> > > NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are
> engaged as
> > part of
> > > their paid job (a form of career advancement). Inside
> > NCSG young
> > > participants join for all three reasons, with many
> seeing
> > > participation to (hopefully) build career capital.
> This
> > can be
> > > particularly true for participants from areas
> where career
> > > opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN
> > participants
> > > have support for participation, either as an expense
> > account or
> > > an ability to cost ICANN participation against
> professional
> > > income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more
> binding and
> > > ICANN support is usually essential, and more than
> just a
> > “perk”.
> > >
> > > If one thinks of the elected and appointed
> positions within
> > > ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the NCSG
> > volunteer
> > > participation challenge boils down to two things, one
> > difficult
> > > and one relatively easy. The difficult one is
> resources.
> > > Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they
> go? Looking
> > > over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests
> that many of
> > > those who are active have careers (lawyers, academics,
> > > consultants) where ICANN participation builds
> career capital,
> > > and where careers provide some resources for ICANN
> > > participation. The challenge here becomes that
> allocating
> > NCSG
> > > resources (travel) based on participation and
> ICANN knowledge
> > > favors those already best positioned to
> participate. The “old
> > > guard” gets the perks. This may become more
> complicated
> > as ICANN
> > > seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet
> > Governance
> > > (TIG) scope of policy.
> > >
> > > The easier part, again in my view, would be a major
> > expansion of
> > > mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in several
> > ways and
> > > build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea
> would be to
> > > make elected positions include a mentorship
> > responsibility, and
> > > a process for selecting appropriate mentees.
> Mentee positions
> > > would come with the additional resources to make
> > participation
> > > possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could also
> > result in
> > > greater career capital benefits, and increase the
> > probability of
> > > continued ICANN participation. One step in that
> direction
> > might
> > > be ICANN funding an in depth study of the
> experiences of
> > ICANN
> > > Fellowship participants (and others), both in
> terms of their
> > > continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN work
> > has fit
> > > into their career progress, and in terms of the
> hard choices
> > > they must make about volunteering.
> > >
> > > Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress here
> > because we
> > > can assume all participants are intent on “doing good”
> > and that
> > > “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does
> > inside ICANN
> > > and how that relates to one’s work life. I look
> forward
> > to the
> > > ideas and observations of others.
> > >
> > > Sam Lanfranco
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
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> > > Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN
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> > >
> > > > What level of effort is channeled to keep the
> people
> > in the
> > > community
> > > > not to get tired. Same for those that have
> indepth culture
> > > and ICANN
> > > > experience that are exhausted and not actively
> > participating
> > > in PDP.
> > >
> > > Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a very
> > serious
> > > issue that needs to be addressed.
> > >
> > > Julf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > /*
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