Dear Niels

On 8/3/2016 11:02 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote

> I was for instance very surprised, and quite shocked frankly, when one
> of our own councillors, as the only one on the GNSO, came out against
> the inclusion of a commitment to human rights in ICANNs bylaws.
>
Yes accountability is important, all for it, but we should not forget 
another value: Continence.
Sometimes you have to go against what your group tells you because of 
your continence.
I was a continuous objector to join the German army, and I paid for it, 
but I still believe I was 100% right.
We should learn to respect and even foster people that act on their 
ethical values, even if their brothers and sisters call for their head.
What is more important: Having people act on what they fundamentally 
believe or act on what they have been told by the majority, however well 
meaning it is.

Again, we should learn to respect and value those amongst us that are 
brave enough to follow their ethical compass.

For what it's worth

Yours

Klaus
> On 08/03/2016 04:44 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>> Having served on council now for two years, I think we should consider
>> better how we want to run these elections.  DO people out there really
>> understand the work we do on council?  How do we want our council
>> members to act?  How do we want them to discuss issues on our monthly
>> policy calls?  How collaborative should the decision making be?  How do
>> we do succession planning and mentoring?  These are issues that are
>> fundamentally important in my view, and should be discussed during the
>> campaign, not relegated to nominee's statements.
>>
>> I agree with Niels and Milton that if expressions of support are
>> suppressing candidates from coming forward, we need a rule against it.
>> We desperately need more people to run....there was only one contested
>> seat the last time I ran, when gender balance and regional balance were
>> taken into consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> On 2016-08-03 10:24, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. wrote:
>>> Dear Milton.
>>>
>>> I agree that this is a very fine procedural point, that should be
>>> managed clearly by the people responsible for the process, from the
>>> first mail on, so as to allow for others to consider participating.
>>> Maybe it should even become a written rule of internal netiquette.
>>>
>>> But in the meantime, coming from a Hyperdemocratic and
>>> Hyper-freedom-of-expression rights country like Costa Rica (and the
>>> re-election being a possibility for some incumbents)  I done´t see
>>> anything wrong in feeling the temperature of the room early on as a
>>> way to recognise how hard some of them have worked in the past. We
>>> might have chosen the wrong place to make this type of comments, but
>>> space should be available for making them in the list anyhow. Maybe
>>> just under a different heading, like “I don´t like the re-election of
>>> incumbents” for example.
>>>
>>> Now, do we have an explicit rule as suggested by Niels and you? How
>>> and where do we express our support for that rule? Should we draw a
>>> redline and asked for a renewed call for the election process with the
>>> new rule and forget the past? Lets be practical and move forward ASAP.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>> +506 8837 7176
>>> Skype: carlos.raulg
>>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
>>> On 3 Aug 2016, at 8:11, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>>>
>>>> I second Niels's views. I have refrained from expressing any opinion
>>>> about the nominations until the nominations are closed and we are
>>>> discussing candidate statements. I have always done so.
>>>>
>>>> --MM
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Niels ten Oever
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 10:30 AM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: +1's and support
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though I think the regular display of +1's is a signal of
>>>>> mutual support
>>>>> and camaraderie. I have the feeling that sometimes it is drowning
>>>>> out other
>>>>> discussions about content on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> May I also remind people that the voting happens later, so the
>>>>> candidates
>>>>> need your support is even more then.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm greatly looking forward to the statements of the candidates.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Niels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Niels ten Oever
>>>>> Head of Digital
>>>>>
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