[log in to unmask] Totally agree with your point of view on NMI.
2015-04-02 12:19 UTC+01:00, Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]>:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for clarifying. It appears the concept is more one of a clearinghouse
> than as an initiator. Interesting. I could see further value when / if the
> root splits provided the NMI grows away from reliance upon ICANN for
> staffing and initiative.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 12:04 PM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ed
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Edward Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> So the NMI will largely be another talk shop without teeth that allows
>>> people who care about this stuff to, well, talk and network and talk?
>>
>> No it's not for talking, that's the IGF
>>
>>> Are we lacking in places to talk and network in the Internet governance
>>> world?
>>
>> Not to my knowledge, although whether they yield desirable dynamics and
>> results is another matter.
>>
>>> I don't mean to denigrate the hard work of those involved in this effort,
>>> I'm just trying to understand why we need the NMI, what niche it fills.
>>
>> The proposed functions are as described below. Again, a platform to share
>> info and coordinate projects consistent with the NM statement. And a
>> resource and connector so that when, e.g., a government says we'd like to
>> think about establishing national/regional MS mechanisms, how do we do it,
>> what have been the experiences, their only option isn't to get on a plane
>> and go as CGI.br or New Zealand and ask because there's info available,
>> model laws, best practices, etc. to refer to. Or when a developing
>> country government says we have a problem with spam or security or
>> whatever and don't know how best to approach, there's another answer
>> besides 'ask the ITU,' they can connect with actors via the platform that
>> will help steer them to relevant people orgs and resources and construct a
>> distributed network they can draw on in working toward solutions. Or when
>> someone wants to do a thing like the Friends of IGF project or Bertrand's
>> or the Stanford IGF polling thing they can come there and find potential
>> partners and funders. Or when we want to take stock of progress or the
>> lack thereof in implementing the NM principles, someone can propose a
>> report and find partners for finance organization etc. and the platform
>> helps to disseminate. If you know of another space where these and
>> related functions mentioned below are all being done now, you are well
>> ahead of the rest of us. Please provide pointers.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 9:46 AM, William Drake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Milton
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> NMI's ToR released on April Fool's day! I love it!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and the joke's on you, Kieren and others who've been endlessly
>>>> fulminating that NMI is somehow a dastardly plot to take over the
>>>> universe, even though your colleagues who are involved have been saying
>>>> forever that no it's not (why would we be involved in it if it were?).
>>>> What we propose to actually do, if facts matter, is
>>>>
>>>> http://comments.netmundial.org/iv-scope-of-activities/
>>>>
>>>> The Initiative will seek to complement and support the work of existing
>>>> Internet governance dialogue and normative processes and institutions,
>>>> including particularly the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), as well as
>>>> the technical Internet community. In addition, the Initiative will not
>>>> be a policy-setting body.
>>>>
>>>> The NETmundial Initiative will:
>>>>
>>>> Serve as a neutral clearinghouse for issues, solutions, expertise and
>>>> resources in Internet governance, and provide a platform on which
>>>> diverse actors can solicit project partners and establish collaborative
>>>> relationships.
>>>>
>>>> Enable open, inclusive, balanced and collaborative communities to share
>>>> knowledge and expertise, leading to best practices, suggestions,
>>>> innovation and solutions to address challenges identified by the
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> Facilitate participation in the Internet governance ecosystem,
>>>> particularly in the developing world, and advance multistakeholder
>>>> processes at the national and regional levels.
>>>>
>>>> Promote the application, evaluation, and implementation of the
>>>> Principles and encourage community reporting efforts.
>>>>
>>>> Assist developing-country communities, governments and underserved
>>>> stakeholders by enabling capacity development efforts and in networking
>>>> with relevant organizations and processes in order to address gaps in
>>>> policy development.
>>>>
>>>> These elements distill both public feedback received on a questionnaire
>>>> and discussions that have taken place in various spaces, e.g. at the
>>>> Istanbul IGF, in the Ilves commission process, at ICANN Singapore, and
>>>> within NMI (reports of the ToR drafting group meetings are at
>>>> https://www.netmundial.org/2015-meetings). I would very much encourage
>>>> people to comment on each of these elements on the website. If you
>>>> think they can be useful or that there is no need for them, say why.
>>>>
>>>> Either way, there's no dastardly plot here to take over the world. No
>>>> centralizing decision making about anything behind closed doors in smoke
>>>> filled rooms filled by the cigars of WEF fat cats (they are barely
>>>> involved). No taking away anything from the IGF, but rather
>>>> complementary work (we'll probably hold an Open Forum in Brazil). No
>>>> big new organization, it's three ICANN and CGI.br staffers who have
>>>> multiple other responsibilities working very part time alongside a
>>>> multistakeholder Coordination Council that has five NCUC members and
>>>> works by consensus. Fadi is one member and has been not so involved
>>>> either, so Fadi Fever explanations of how things must really work don't
>>>> cut it.
>>>>
>>>> NMI is a space for people to say what projects they're working on (e.g.
>>>> https://www.netmundial.org/contributions-list) and seek partners, make
>>>> connections, share information, etc. A core concern is and always was
>>>> contributing to capacity building for developing country governments and
>>>> stakeholders trying to deal with non-ICANN issues. Either people will
>>>> decide this can be useful and it will sustain a place as a small
>>>> facilitating connector in complex institutional ecosystem, or they
>>>> won't, and we'll say ok we tried and it'll drift off, not the end of the
>>>> world. Either can happen, especially given all the willful
>>>> misrepresentations of this that have become part of the zeitgeist. But
>>>> it's worth remembering that when some of us started talking in 2004
>>>> about the need for a new multistakeholder process for open dialogue and
>>>> analysis on the broad range of IG issues and institutions, the push back
>>>> was immediate from the some of same folks that have criticized this--e.g.
>>>> ISOC and the ICC--and yet eventually they came to see that the IGF was a
>>>> useful addition to the mix. That could happen here too if people get
>>>> beyond the original sins of a key protagonist in the initial roll out of
>>>> the idea. TBD.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *********************************************************
>>>> William J. Drake
>>>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>>> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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>>
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