Hello !

2014-09-23 2:20 UTC, Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]>:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> On 22-Sep-14 20:19, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi Olivier,
>>
>> just to clarify here, being a non-profit organization is not enough
>> condition to become NCSG member, it needs to be non-commercial too. I
>> think that was said several time, but better to reiterate : NCUC has
>> organizations and individuals as members, while NPOC has
>> organizations only. better to read their charters to understand their
>> missions.
>>
>
> The point is made specifically in the NCSG discussion of Organizational
> members:
>
>>> 1. The Organization is incorporated as a noncommercial entity (in
>>> countries that have such a provision in their commercial code) or,
>>> if unincorporated, or if operating in a country without provisions
>>> for noncommercial incorporation, that operates on a not-for-profit
>>> basis primarily for noncommercial purposes, and
>
>
> Specifically the NCSG is only for Non Commercial entities.
>
> Beyond that, it not only needs to be non-commercial, but it needs to
> have a non-commercial purpose.
>
>>> 3. Is engaged in online activities that are primarily noncommercial,
>>> including, e.g., advocacy, educational, religious, human rights,
>>> charitable, scientific and artistic, and
>
> And then just to make sure the a non-commercial aggregating entity with
> commercial members would not qualify, the last requirement in the
> charter states:
>
>>> 4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization
>>> should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily
>>>  noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily
>>> composed of noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce,
>>> though it may be a noncommercial organization itself, and might even
>>>  have some noncommercial members, is primarily composed of commercial
>>>  organizations and has a commercial focus and would not be eligible
>>> for membership.)
>
> Yes, just so there would be no doubt, an example was included in the
> charter approved by the Board.
>
> So it does make perfect sense to me that first an organization shows
> that it is non-commercial (it also needs a domain name)* to join the NCSG.
>
OK. So, that's only where I'm right. Thank you Avri, to clarify.

> And then if it likes and if it meets the requirements of NPOC, it can
> join the NPOC constituency. And if it likes and meets the requirements
> of NCUC it can join them too.  And if there were more constituencies, &c.

> But as the charter currently stands membership in the NCSG is the
> primary membership and membership in constituencies derives from NCSG
> membership + any additional requirements that constituencies may impose
> that don't conflict with NCSG's primary requirements.

Yes.

My own experience with the NPOC and the NCSG is as follows : It's late
in 2011 that I was invited, by an email send by our dearly departed
Alain Berranger (may his soul RIP),  to join the NPOC. During, the
process, I finally discover that the NCSG is the stakeholder group
into which NPOC is deployed. I have the confirmation when I received
an email again from Alain Berranger announcing to the NPOCers of that
moment and me, that, at the NCSG-EC meeting of December 21st 2012, the
organization I've have co-founded and that I'm promoting, INTIC4DEV, a
non-for-profit and non-commercial one, has been admitted as an NCSG
Member. At that time, I've already volunteered to act as Co-Chair of
the Programs Committee of NPOC and to lead the recruitment of new
Members for NPOC in Francophone Africa. As so, with my admission as a
new NCSG and new NPOC Member, NPOC continues its internationalization,
an integral part of making ICANN more relevant globally and civil
society more aware and more involved in the DNS and Internet
Governance in general.
The final result the boths partners are expecting, is a long and
fruitful association, between INTIC4DEV and ICANN for many years to
come.

Thank you again, AVRI
>
> avri
>
-Olévié-

>
> * one oddity of the charter is that we do not require that name to be a
> gTLD.  It could be a ccTLD, as long as it supports WHOIS.  An oversight
> in the writing, which may be worth fixing someday. Then again, maybe not.
>
OK. I've learned more about the process with this oddity.
Thousand of thanks Avri, for still teaching me. You remain the best.
Cheers !
-olévié-


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