Don´t forget history. In the original plan of the first Bylaws from 1998 "At Large" was the place for civil society/individual users. The At Large election was driven by activities of civil society groups. This played also a crucial role in the early phase of WSIS where ICANNs At Large was the driving force behind the CS IG Caucus.    (see attachment)

wolfgang


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The competition is coming very soon, i imagine.
Wait and see.
Le 2 févr. 2017 12:52, "Norbert Klein" <[log in to unmask]> a écrit :

> +1
>
> Thanks Bill:
> "I am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have noted that
> there is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of outright
> competition between At-Large and the GNSO's Non-Commercial Users
> Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, with the Not-for-Profit
> Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)."
>
> "I don't know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions..., but in
> my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or
> competition.  I can't see how such vague assertions unconnected to anything
> real are helpful."
>
>
> Norbert Klein
>
>
> On 1.2.2017 11:37 PM, William Drake wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 16:43, Ayden Férdeline <[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> On the ICANN wiki, ICANN staff have uploaded a new draft of the report of
> the Review of the At-Large Community. You can read it in PDF format here:
> https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/Review+of+the+
> ICANN+At-Large+Community+-+Draft+Report+for+Public+Comment
>
> The report will open for public comment today, and I think it is important
> we respond (and also read it closely to see whether or not there are any
> lessons we can learn, ahead of the GNSO Review). To aid us in drafting our
> comments, I am going to compare the changes in this second draft against
> those from the initial report released in December - before members of the
> At-Large Review Working Party requested signifiant revisions - and I'll try
> to produce a redlined version, which I'll share on our list. The initial
> draft was an honest assessment of At-Large. A cursory glance at the
> revisions in this new draft suggests the inclusion of flowery language
> praising the current leadership of At-Large for their stewardship of the
> community over time; I hope the original recommendations have not been
> materially toned down, but I haven't read the report close enough just yet
> to assess whether or not this is the case.
>
>
> Thanks Ayden for the offer.  I hope that in any comment we submit we bring
> a little clarity to the section on "Mission overlap with NCUC & NPOC."  I
> am puzzled that the section starts out by saying, "we have noted that there
> is a widely shared perception of duplication, even of outright competition
> between At-Large and the GNSO's Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) -
> and to a certain extent, with the Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns
> Constituency (NPOC)."  I don't know among whom these are "widely shared"
> perceptions (feels a bit like the Westlake Report all over again), but in
> my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or
> competition.  I can't see how such vague assertions unconnected to anything
> real are helpful.  Moreover, the authors say the differences between NCSG
> and ALAC are simply that
>
> . -  The role of the ALAC is to provide advice on policy and other issues
> being discussed within ICANN that have implications for end users.
> . -  The role of NCUC and NPOC, as constituencies of the Non-Commercial
> Stakeholder Group (NCSG) within the GNSO, is to provide policy advice
> related to work of the policy- development function within the GNSO
>
> One would think that the fact that At Large is a multistakeholder
> formation with a lot of folks from various commercial parts of the
> community merits mention.  Of course there are civil society folks there
> too and some of us have participated extensively in AL, but on the whole we
> are talking about very different beasts, and not simply because of the
> AC/SO roles.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>
>
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