Joint meeting of NCUC and ALAC in Kuala Lumpur ICANN meeting Part 1: meeting with Markus Kummer, Executive coordinator of the Secretariat of the Internet Governance Working Group. Mr. Kummer discussed the schedule and objectives of the Working Group in Internet Governance and answered questions from the group. Part 2: Update and coordination on ALAC-NCUC policy efforts. Mostly confined to a discussion of Whois. Part 3: discussion of ALAC's problems in organizing users. ALAC wants to find ways to work with NCUC to attract more individuals and users into the ICANN process. MM explained that ALAC's need to create regional at large organizations (RALOs) was the source of its problem. It is difficult enough to get organizations to join and participate in NCUC or ALAC. Asking them then to work on building an additional organizational structure was too much. ALAC needs to find a new, better model for individual and user participation. Izumi Aizu and Roberto Gaetano explained that if user representation in ICANN didn't work out, the idea might be abandoned and governments might step in as representatives of the public. This was the right time to make it work, because WSIS process was putting pressure on ICANN to be more legitimate, and now Board members were more sympathetic to the idea that users should be involved in and represented in ICANN. Board seems willing to allocate more money to ALAC to help them make it work. However, NCUC members said that there was still a limited number of activists who would spend time and resources to participate, regardless of how much money was allocated. Urged ALAC to find a better model for user representation. The model initially proposed by the Bildt committee was discussed, having a separate Supporting Organization for users, one for suppliers and one for "developers."