Enrique, what message do you get when you go to this page <http://www.elluminate.com/support/>? Using OS X, I see: "You appear to have the required software to use Elluminate Live!" What happens when you try with Linux (*BSD)? Does it only work with Java Desktop System? (Is JDS a problem?) Adam At 4:08 PM +0000 11/3/04, Enrique A. Chaparro wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > micalg="pgp-sha1"; > boundary="Signature=_Wed__3_Nov_2004_16_08_58_+0000_xVJyNewgzTFze7As" > >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:09:55 -0500 >Rik Panganiban <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >RP> Dear Colleagues, >RP> >RP> In Derrick (and Milton's) defense, I think to boycott a meeting that >RP> promises to include many more participants from around the world on >RP> the grounds that it does not conform to your own supported model of >RP> software creation to me is a bit extreme. I may not like the software >RP> being deployed by my government to develop "e-voting", but I still >RP> went to the election polls yesterday. Because I want my voice to be >RP> heard. > >Dear Rik, > >I don't know from where did you get the idea that I'm suggesting to >``boycott a meeting [...] on the grounds that it does not conform to >[my] own supported model of software creation'' >What I am saying (please, read the message again) is that the choice >of tools for remote participation implies the exclusion of a number >of potential attendants. That is a _fact_, not an ideological >argument on software development models. > >Congratulations for going to the polls yesterday. If you were in a >state not accepting mail ballots, you accepted what you believed to >be a reasonable tradeoff by voting through a blackbox machine. >However, your analogy doesn't fit to the case: the issue here is >not ``for voting, you must go to an official polling station and >use an approved mechanism accesible to all voters (even if you don't >like it)[1]'', but ``for voting, you must be taller than 6 feet''. > >I would love to have my voice heard. But my voice is being excluded >because I don't use (and, btw, cannot afford) MS Windows, MacOS or >Solaris. So, my protest stands. > >[...] > >RP> >RP> So Enrique, we will miss your voice at this meeting. But for the >RP> rest, I hope you will at least try it out before rejecting it. See >RP> you online. > >Yes. Unfortunately, I won't be able to remotely attend. But not because >of my wish, but because a discriminatory policy. BTW, your ``But for >the rest...'' should be read as ``But for the rest, only if you use >certain proprietary operating systems...''. > >Regards, > >Enrique > > >[1] Just as a sidenote, I don't like blackbox voting. But this is a >different issue. > >-- >``Izena duen guzia omen da.'' > >_______________________________________________ >