X-Apparently-To: [log in to unmask] via 66.196.100.183; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:00:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [192.0.35.121] Authentication-Results: mta113.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=icann.org; domainkeys=fail (bad syntax) Received: from 192.0.35.121 (EHLO greenriver.icann.org) (192.0.35.121) by mta113.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:00:29 -0800 Received: from greenriver.icann.org (greenriver [127.0.0.1]) by greenriver.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l113tpRp018112; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:51 -0800 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by greenriver.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l113tpJx018111; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: greenriver.icann.org: majordomo set sender to [log in to unmask] using -f Received: from pechora4.icann.org (pechora4.icann.org [192.0.34.39]) by greenriver.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l113to8q018108 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:50 -0800 Received: from web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.188]) by pechora4.icann.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id l113wEBI007230 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 53296 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2007 03:31:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nw0D3NxhOCCj8/q+9UEvda7mlBzMBVD7c9npjcMu3mkK3FVmjnuaa14DPKKpTqiJw1iRUurKP/4O73IAH7zkd8PKHvyC2DJqYx84ZMEvTtrwn7E+ZQ86+5xBX7FdBn7BlSL6ThD9Hy+RzACw0624QCVUumFf5/VVt/WaD7SmcGw=; X-YMail-OSG: jtlHPgwVM1leyEYTSJYlg8u0lw8IQzv4SmAvP95UgToc6EX8mTGQRJuquqlCGzuP6UfO8STIA4HVRvTh8yiT8zOPFphZAttUa.koyMx8.uQUAk5eJaI3WfA.MWfaFA5i7JzYuN6S2xUt6igwB7TyvvnyPejNCAV_HLhLaEWqlJP4_2LnJ_MPsr7nt8s- Received: from [69.202.135.42] by web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:31:33 PST Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mawaki Chango <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [gnso-idn-wg] Issues list item To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on pechora4.icann.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:19:59 by milter-greylist-1.6 (pechora4.icann.org [192.0.34.39]); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:58:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: [log in to unmask] Precedence: discussion Content-Length: 1730 Hi, --- Avri Doria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > My concern is anything that would give a government, or a > government > sponsored organization, control over a script/alphabet. > > I know that I may be appear to be contracting myself with two > different positions: > > - one that the language community should be protected from loss of > > the their naming resources to Northern business interests > - that governments should not be in the position of deciding on the > > appropriateness of an application for IDN TLD or SLD I guess governements may be just another organization being part of their language community. In that case, ICANN could rely on its consensus building and decision making procedures, paying careful attention to what governements have to say. This, in my humble view, should not require the argument of sovereignty. > > That leaves the idea of the language community having some say. > but > the notion of language commnuinty is still somewhat unclear to me > if > we remove all notions of sovereignty. Not only does ICANN not have > a > construct, similar perhaps to constituencies, to cover language > communities, but I know of no way of defining membership in a > community (e.g. questions such as: is speaking enough, or reading, > or > writing? does someone need to be a native speaker/reader/writer? > does the inability to read preclude membership? if one emigrates > from the predominant land of the language do they lose their > membership in the community? does learning a language bring one > into > the linguistic community? if so how much does one need to learn to > > gain entry into the language community? if a company hires someone > > who is a meber of the linguistic community do they gain 'rights' > within that linguistic community?). > > The quandary I find myself stuck in is finding a balance that > protects the potential (developing nation) registrant from > exploitation, without developing/supporting notions of linguistic > sovereignty or investing new levels of authority on ICANN > processes. Yeah, plus score of metaphysical questions that can be asked about identity, etc. But unfortunately, we can't afford that luxury, nor that of micro-managing all the related issues. Some simpler ideas we may keep in mind along the way include: - the cultural variable is an essential component of any definition of linguistic community; - there is no objective and self-sustaining way to define who is entitled to what cultural identity (not to mention those with multi-cultural identity.) so as far as individuals are concerned, they belong to cultures and linguistic communities they claim or recognize themeselves in. they can still have their say, but it is more likely that if they seriously want to make a difference, they would need to join their claimed community in some sort of collective action. - as to legal entities, I guess it is simpler to determine their statuts as per their incorporation, from which derives their "nationality" or the legal system they are answerable to. we may well talk about global corporations, but they are still registered/incorporated somewhere, be it in a single or in several countries, which constitue the basis where all sorts of legal consequences derive from; obviously, the nationality or linguitic skills of the CEO would not be enough to claim rights over any language scripts in the DNS. Mawaki > > a. >