Dear Milton and all, Thanks for your hard work on this. I fully support the document. Regards, Konstantinos Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis Lecturer in IT&T Law, Panellist, Chair Membership Committee, Global Internet Governance Academic Network, University of Strathclyde, The Law School, 141 St James Road, Glasgow G4 0LT. tel:+44 (0)141 548 4306 fax:+44 (0)141 548 3639 email: [log in to unmask] http://www.law.strath.ac.uk/staff/bio_sharepoint.aspx?id=75 > -----Original Message----- > From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of William Drake > Sent: 18 November 2008 09:51 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Draft NCSG petition, please review > > Milton, > > I second Norbert's kudos for the work you've put into this. Overall > it looks really solid. There are probably some language tweaks etc > you could make for clarity, but as I'm sitting in a loud hotel lobby > I leave this to you to decide. I'm ok with the proposed solutions to > the points discussed previously, e.g. constituency thresholds and > membership limitations, voting rules, etc. One question I do wonder > about though concerns 3.4.5, Regional diversity's criteria, "as > determined by national citizenship." Lots of folks don't live in > their home countries, so perhaps a more flexible approach would be > desirable going forward. Why not "as determined by national > citizenship or residency"? Is there a history of discussion and > decisions on this from before I joined NCUC that I'm not aware of? > > Thanks again, > > Bill > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Norbert Klein wrote: > > > Thanks, Milton, for the huge amount of work done. > > > >> I'd like to send this to the Board in a week or so, so if you are > >> interested in the future structure of the NCSG please review it and > >> voice your approval, or propose modifications. > > > > So I have some notes, not on substance, where I agree with your > > draft, but > > more on some small points - you know I am living in a non-English > > speaking > > environment, and I have often to explain to others here what might > > be clear > > among the experts elsewhere. > > > > Sorry that it is long, but I include the context for identification. > > > > > > Norbert > > > > = > > A clarification suggested: > > > > "2.0 Organization and Membership > > 2.1 Composition > > The NCSG shall consist of four distinct parts: the Membership, > > Constituencies, > > an Executive Committee and a Policy Committee. The Membership shall > > consist > > of organizations and individuals that meet the Membership criteria and > > complete the processes set out in Section 2.2. The Executive > > Committee, led > > by the Chair,..." > > > > I suggest to say "the Chair of the NCSG" to avoid the > > misunderstanding that it > > is "...the Chair of the Executive Committee..." - the term "the > > Chair is > > defined much further down only. I think it is useful to have the > > terms clear > > when they show up first. > > = > > > > = = > > Minor points and an explanations for not so well versed non-native > > speakers of > > English (I want to show this also to colleagues here and avoid > > getting such > > questions back; this is a general concern for ICANN etc. insider > > language > > which disregards the multi-cultural basis of the Internet users). > > > > "2.2.2. Ineligible organizations. The membership of the NCSG > > specifically > > excludes: > > 1. Political organizations whose primary purpose is to hold > > government office > > and/or ct government officials;2. Commercial organizations and > > associations > > of or for the benefit of commercial entities (even if they are non- > > profit in > > form) such as industry trade associations; > > 3. Organizations that provide services under contract or MoU with > > ICANN; > > 4. Organizations that are represented in ICANN through another > > Supporting > > Organization or other GNSO Stakeholder Group. However, > > organizations and > > individuals that participate in ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee > > are not > > excluded by this criterion, though they may be excluded by the > > other three." > > > > "...and/or to elect government..." > > "...contract or a Memorandum of Understanding with..." > > ",,,or other GNSO Stakeholder Groups" or "...or another GNSO > > Stakeholder > > Group" > > = = > > > > = = = > > "...may participate in NCSG listservs..." > > I suggest to say instead: "may participate in NCSG mailing lists" > > throughout > > the text. > > = = = > > > > = = = = > > "2.2.5. Individuals. Individuals can also be members of the NCSG. > > 2.2.5.1. Eligible individuals include: > > a) Individuals who register domain names for personal or family > > uses of a > > predominantly noncommercial nature; > > b) Individual Internet users who are primarily concerned with the > > public > > interest aspects of domain name policy and are not represented in > > ICANN > > through membership in another GNSO Stakeholder Group or the ccNSO;" > > > > Suggested change for clarification, as the term ccNSO shows up > > first here, to: > > "...or the Country Code Names Supporting Organisation (ccNSO);" > > > > Same for "...PDP" when it shows up first, change to "... Policy > > Development > > Process (PDP)..." > > = = = = > > > > = = = = = > > I do not understand the following clearly: > > > > "3.4.1 ...Their function is to a leadership role in translating the > > common > > goals and priorities of the SG into ICANN GNSO-approved policies, > > and to > > oppose and prevent the passage of ICANN policies harmful to the > > interests of > > NCSG members. " > > > > Is it something like this: > > > > "Their function is to translate the common goals and priorities of the > > Noncommercial Users Stakeholders Group into ICANN GNSO-approved > > policies, or > > to oppose and prevent the passage of policies harmful to the > > interests of > > NCSG members." > > = = = = = > > > > = == = = = > > "3.6.1 ...All member organizations and individuals must be a > > visible node in > > that site." > > > > Sorry, I do not understand the language - what does it mean that I > > "must be a > > visible node in that site"? I checked here with friends - obviously > > I am not > > the only one who does not understand this. > > == = = = = > > > > > > > > -- > > If you want to know what is going on in Cambodia, > > please visit us regularly - you can find something new every day: > > > > http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com (English) > > http://kanhchoksangkum.wordpress.com (Khmer) > > > > PGP key-id 0x0016D0A9 > > *********************************************************** > William J. Drake > Senior Associate > Centre for International Governance > Graduate Institute of International and > Development Studies > Geneva, Switzerland > [log in to unmask] > ***********************************************************