Dear Konstantinos, With regards to your recent email (below): I am a member of the GigaNet new members committee of which you are chair. Does that mean that member admission to GigaNet will be run with a "CP80 or Mormon agenda," where I will succeed with an "imposition of religious beliefs"? You say: "We always have to bear in mind that these views only represent a small fraction of the constituency and are designed to deal with issues under a different, more religious, perspective . . ." Who do you think is the small fraction? Do you know any other constituency members other than Prof. Clifford and I? You and I are colleagues in GigaNet. We have met. You can read the breadth of my scholarly work, although you obviously not know nothing about me as a person. I have been a respected professional in law firms and taught law both at the University of Utah and BYU over a 30 year career. I think your statements are unbecoming a professional. Is this kind of behavior that is condoned in an academic society? In the GigaNet academic society? Cheryl B. Preston Edwin M. Thomas Professor of Law J. Reuben Clark Law School Brigham Young University 434 JRCB Provo, UT 84602 (801) 422-2312 [log in to unmask] >>> Konstantinos Komaitis <[log in to unmask]> 3/20/2009 5:05 am >>> I am also very much in favor of promoting issues of online and individual safety, however, my main concern is that if such issues are promoted under the CP80 or the Mormon agenda only certain views will be expressed that reflect the culture and tradition of such groups. Everybody, irrespective of religious or personal beliefs, wants to see an Internet safe and secure; however, the means through which this will be achieved varies amongst the members of the constituency and this is not to say that these views cannot be expressed. However, we always have to bear in mind that these views only represent a small fraction of the constituency and are designed to deal with issues under a different, more religious, perspective that does not necessarily comply with everybody¹s idea of how safety online is to be achieved. To me this sounds like an imposition of religious beliefs rather than a genuine concern about the issues discussed. Konstantinos On 19/03/2009 22:52, "Jeremy Geigle" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hear, hear Professor Clifford, your comments are well-taken. > > I also agree with the need to look broadly at individual safety online - > including identity theft, destruction of resources, child safety, individual > choice/control. > > Jeremy S. Geigle > President AZFC > JD/MBA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of Ralph D. Clifford > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:49 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Discussion of Cybersafety Constituency > > First the background: I am not a member of CP80. I am not a Mormon. I have no > connections to either group of any kind and, before today, I had never heard > of Mr. Yarro. Personally, I don't see pornography as a big problem in society. > Despite this, I am a member of the cybersafety constituency because it is not > the one-issue group that some seem to want to make it; instead, it is a group > of people who are concerned that ICANN's decision-making often ignores issues > of individual safety including such things as identity theft, destruction of > computer resources, etc. And yes, some others in the group are concerned with > the distribution of porn. > > Second, a comment: Today's "discussion" has been outrageous. The only thing it > reminds me of are the flame wars that used to erupt on Usenet (although no one > has called someone else a Nazi, yet, just implied it). Unfortunately, that > seems to be the norm in this discussion group. Almost always, ideas are not > exchanged; accusations of conspiracy are. This is too bad as it certainly > discourages the openness that ICANN allegedly wants. > > -- > Ralph D. Clifford > Professor of Law > S. New England School of Law > -- Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, Lecturer in Law, GigaNet Membership Chair, University of Strathclyde, The Lord Hope Building, 141 St. James Road, Glasgow, G4 0LT, UK tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 email: [log in to unmask]