Complexity is still ICANNšs trademark. I agree with Milton if that is the case the only thing we can do really is sit back and wait. I am happy to proceed either way and give my input on behalf of our group at any time. Thank you both Milton and Bill. Konstantinos On 12/03/2009 11:56, "William Drake" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >> Just had a private email with a Board member >> Apparently the approach of this WG is to put all the complainers (i.e. the >> trademark/IP people) into a position where they have to come up with a >> solution that is both acceptable to them and to the rest of the community. In >> other words it is not intended to be an open WG but is deliberately intended >> to be slanted toward them with (they hope) the salutary effect of forcing >> them to be constructive and commit themselves to accepting whatever they >> propose. >> Thus, while I agree that Konstantinos has expertise in this area and that we >> should leverage it, I think the best way is NOT to put him on the group (may >> not be able to get onto it anyway) but to assign him to be our special >> monitor of the results of that group. He can assess the results and tell us >> whether to scream against it or to accept it. And draft our response. And if >> it is really bad, help us convince other stakeholder groups to oppose it as >> well. > > Hi Milton, > > It may be that different board members have different perceptions and agendas > (surprise). See the snippets below; if what's really intended is that the IPC > go off and do something themselves and other constituencies are merely > consulted and respond, it would have been good to say that more clearly up > front, and to frame the call for nominations differently. > > Maybe I'll hear something clarifying from Kristina in response to my > suggesting more time for nominations. If the real deal is as you say, then I > guess standing back might be the right move. > > Nothing like wasting cycles figuring out the fit between words and their > actual meanings... > > BD > >> >> Transcript >> <http://mex.icann.org/files/meetings/mexico2009/transcript-board-meeting-06ma >> r09-en.txt> >>> >>>>> >>WENDY SELTZER: So I don't see this resolution as an endorsement of >>>>> any particular position, but as an opportunity for the community to fully >>>>> develop its positions so that they are bringing to us fully formed >>>>> proposals which we can then act upon. And so I invite -- and I hope that >>>>> members of the community will be -- of other communities will be consulted >>>>> early in the process, as is recommended, and will have full opportunities >>>>> to analyze proposals that come out of this working group to provide us >>>>> with their views as well. >>> >>>>> >>DENNIS JENNINGS: Thank you, Peter. I'm particularly pleased to see >>>>> the use of the phrase "internationally diverse group of persons" in the >>>>> resolution. Because my impression has been that much of the discussion has >>>>> been driven by big business and west -- or North American intellectual >>>>> property interests. And I think we've heard other interests speak during >>>>> the week. And I'm very pleased to see that because I think there are >>>>> other dimensions that need to be taken into account. >>> >>>>> >>RITA RODIN JOHNSTON: Thank you. I guess I just want to say -- echo >>>>> what my colleagues have said, which is I think we're very pleased that >>>>> there seems to be broad support for this proposal and that members of the >>>>> community have come together to try to determine solutions to these >>>>> issues. I just want to emphasize to everyone the board's view here, which >>>>> is this is not being put together -- and we are hopeful that this is not >>>>> going to be a situation where there's going to be overreaching or there's >>>>> going to be a stagnation of the process or that this is just going to be >>>>> about big business here. We really, really want this to be solutions, to >>>>> be consultative with various constituencies, and to give us real and >>>>> collaborative and practical ways to move forward. And we're all, actually, >>>>> very hopeful that this is going to be the case and very much trust in this >>>>> process. > -- Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, Lecturer in Law, GigaNet Membership Chair, University of Strathclyde, The Lord Hope Building, 141 St. James Road, Glasgow, G4 0LT, UK tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 email: [log in to unmask]