Too late, oh well. BD Robin Gross wrote: > Thanks, Bill. > > I think we should endorse the statement to NTIA since we haven't had a > chance to file our own. > > Thanks, > Robin > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 4:00 AM, William Drake wrote: > >> I missed the suggestion below from Milton so am forwarding now. >> >> The IGF Internet Governance Caucus, of which many of us here are >> members, is submitting comments to NTIA on the JPA. Since we didn't >> manage to do our own, I asked whether it was possible for NCUC to >> sign on to the IGC's, and people seemed fine with that. >> Unfortunately, comments are due today so we'd have to decide very >> quickly. >> >> Would it be possible to get quick consensus on endorsing the >> statement below, or should we just let it go? >> >> Bill >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From: *"carlos a. afonso" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> *Date: *June 8, 2009 12:39:45 PM GMT+02:00 >>> *To: *"Non-Commercial Users Constituency Executive Committee & GNSO >>> Reps. Discussion" <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>, "Milton L Mueller" >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> *Subject: **Re: [Ncu-exec] Fwd: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA >>> statement* >>> *Reply-To: *"Non-Commercial Users Constituency Executive Committee & >>> GNSO Reps. Discussion" <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> >>> Yes, I think NCUC should endorse it. >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Milton L Mueller <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> To: "Non-Commercial Users Constituency Executive Committee & GNSO Reps. >>> Discussion" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:52:10 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Ncu-exec] Fwd: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement >>> >>>> Sure, why not send this to the discuss list? >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: [log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of William Drake >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:48 AM >>>> To: NCUC EC-Council List >>>> Subject: [Ncu-exec] Fwd: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement >>>> >>>> NCUC didn't manage amidst other stuff to do a statement on JPA. >>>> Would we want to endorse the IGC statement? I doubt anyone in IGC >>>> would object. But we'd have to decide quickly... >>>> >>>> Just a thought, it'd be a small pity for NCUC to be silent. >>>> >>>> BD >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Ian Peter >>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>> Date: June 5, 2009 11:54:35 PM GMT+02:00 >>>> To: "[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>" >>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>> Subject: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement >>>> Reply-To: >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>,Ian >>>> Peter >>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>> >>>> Below is the final statement we propose to send to DOC (and need to >>>> submit by June 8). Please indicate YES or NO as regards your support >>>> for this statement - if you have already indicated in the previous >>>> draft a YES, there is no need to vote again (in the interests of >>>> email flow). At this stage I am assuming we have a consensus for this >>>> unless strong objections are raised in the next 48 hours. >>>> >>>> At this stage no amendments can be accepted which changes the meaning >>>> or emphasis of the text. However we can certainly consider simple >>>> changes that clarify the expression if you feel strongly about them. >>>> >>>> Thank you everyone for your participation! >>>> >>>> DRAFT FOLLOWS >>>> >>>> >>>> The Internet Governance Caucus is a global coalition of civil society >>>> and non governmental organisations and individuals actively involved >>>> the UN's Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process. Formed during the >>>> lead up to the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), our >>>> mission is to provide a forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and >>>> for representation of civil society contributions in Internet >>>> governance processes. We have several hundred members, with a wide >>>> spread of geographic representation; more about our coalition can be >>>> found at www.igcaucus.org >>>> <http://www.igcaucus.org><http://www.igcaucus.org>. >>>> >>>> We are thankful for the opportunity to comment on the Joint Project >>>> Agreement (JPA) with ICANN, and respectfully submit as follows. >>>> >>>> In responding to your call for comments, we are mindful of the WSIS >>>> principles, which " recognize that Internet governance, carried out >>>> according to the Geneva principles, is an essential element for a >>>> people-centred, inclusive, development-oriented and >>>> non-discriminatory Information Society". We also recognise the need >>>> for high levels of global co-operation from all stakeholder groups to >>>> ensure Internet stability and security. >>>> >>>> On your question as regards the future of the JPA - The IGC firmly >>>> believes that global co-operation will be enhanced by a transition >>>> beyond the JPA to a situation where all stakeholders feel that they >>>> have equitable arrangements for participation, that ICANN is subject >>>> to due process procedures and is accountable to all stakeholders. >>>> Therefore, the IGC believes that merely extending the current JPA >>>> arrangement is not a lasting viable solution. >>>> >>>> Some of us believe the JPA should be ended now, as it is an >>>> ineffective mechanism to deal with the problems that must be resolved >>>> to place ICANN on a viable long-term path forward. On the other hand, >>>> some of us believe that a time-limited extension of the JPA might be >>>> the most effective means to ensure that ICANN does take on board >>>> necessary changes. >>>> >>>> Irrespective of when the JPA actually ends however, the IGC believes >>>> that it should be replaced by a new global accountability framework, >>>> the development of which should commence as soon as possible in an >>>> open, multistakeholder, transparent and inclusive process. >>>> >>>> Also irrespective of whether the JPA continues or not, we believe >>>> that certain principles outlined below need to be embedded in ICANN's >>>> operation. We believe these should be covered by an undertaking by >>>> ICANN to perpetuate in its constitution, by laws, or some similar >>>> accountability mechanism, the principles which follow. The principles >>>> need to be embedded in such a way as to ensure they cannot easily be >>>> changed to exclude any stakeholder group. The principles which need >>>> to be permanently embedded are: >>>> >>>> * bottom up co-ordination >>>> >>>> >>>> * balanced multi stakeholder representation, including civil >>>> society interests and Internet users >>>> >>>> >>>> * ensuring the stability of the Internet >>>> >>>> >>>> * transparency >>>> >>>> >>>> * appropriate accountability mechanisms >>>> >>>> >>>> * continuing evolution of an effective and appropriate >>>> governance model which is multilateral, multistakeholder, democratic, >>>> and transparent >>>> >>>> >>>> * decision making driven by the public interest >>>> >>>> We also propose to replace "private sector management" with >>>> multistakeholder management, which has evolved from the World Summit >>>> on the Information Society and the Internet Governance Forum process >>>> which the US Government has supported, and which is an important >>>> facet, we believe, of effective internet governance arrangements. >>>> >>>> We think the establishment of firm principles to guide the evolution >>>> of a model is the appropriate way to proceed. This should explicitly >>>> recognize that ICANN is a global governance institution with >>>> regulatory authority over an industry (domain name registration) and >>>> over critical resources (IP addresses, root servers and addresses). >>>> The standards of due process, rights, and accountability that apply >>>> to ICANN must be developed with these facts in mind. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter and Ginger Paque, Co-coordinators, for the Internet >>>> Governance Caucus >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>>> >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:governance-unsubscribe@l >>>> ists.cpsr.org> >>>> >>>> For all list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> >> >> *********************************************************** >> William J. 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