On 12 Aug 2009, at 10:02, William Drake wrote: > f what you mean is that unless the board approves them they cannot > rightly be considered constituencies in the normal ICANN sense (as > you note, we changed this pre-Mexico when we heard that it was a > sticking point in the Board's view) this is exactly what i meant. the basic part of my reasoning went something like this: - the critical importance of constituencies was that people with a similar set of goals and affinities could work together to produce positions - these positions have a formal role in the policy development process - in order for the voice of all constituencies to have equal vote, they all had to meet similar conditions for being defined as constituencies. - in order to insure this parity a common body needed to qualify the constituencies. - for better or worse the Board is the only group in position to do this without risk (supposedly) of bias - so the Board should approve all constituencies. Now, the march of history has shown that perhaps the Board cannot be trusted to apply its rules with parity and that perhaps the Policy Staff will act in accordance to its own agenda as opposed as a support of the volunteers. The Board has also shown that they no longer value constituencies as the basis for group formation, i.e. I believe that they have deviated from the BCG recommendations - something that is within their prerogative, allowing for disparity between the two houses on this, something I believe is wrong and destructive. So, I have come to believe that it only makes sense to move toward a model that allows SG to makes its own decision about how constituencies, or interest groups or whatever they get called, are formed. I.e. let parity rule, and what is good for the contracted SGs is also good to the non-contracted SGs. a. Note: i really really believe in parity and it is the deviation from parity that bothers me most in ICANN/Board policy determinations. the rightness or wrongness of any position can be argued, and disagreements between people can be honored. but treating people and groups differently is, in my mind, the real root of all evil.