Thanks, Cedric, these are very helpful comments.   Those of us  
enmeshed in ICANN acronyms often forget there is another world out  
there where people might now what the GOTPDPWG stands for ;-)

Thanks,
Robin

On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Cedric Laurant wrote:

> Hi Robin, Milton and all,
>
> As the document will be part of a public campaign or, at least, be  
> available publicly on the Internet for everyone to see, I would  
> explain all the acronyms (GNSO, BGC, ALAC, SIC,...) and refer to  
> them in an appendix, including the ones that seem obvious - but are  
> not - for people who might not even know what ICANN stands for.  I  
> guess they are many people who, even though they are interested in  
> knowing more about Internet governance issues, will stop reading  
> the document after seeing so many acronyms, and its purpose will be  
> lost for some of the people who could potentially register as new  
> NCUC members.
>
> If this document is not only for ICANN staff/board and NCUC staff  
> to see, I would change the wording to make it understandable for  
> the average Joe.  If opening up this procedural fairness debate to  
> public debate is what the NCUC aims for, I would rewrite some of  
> the paragraphs to make it much less hard to decipher.
>
> Example:
>
>> Myth 9
>> "Civil Society won't participate in ICANN under NCUC's charter  
>> proposal."
>> False.  ICANN staffers and others claim that civil society is  
>> discouraged from engaging at ICANN because NCUC's charter proposal  
>> does not guarantee GNSO Council seats to constituencies.  The  
>> facts could not be further from the truth.  NCUC's membership  
>> includes 142 noncommercial organizations and individuals.  Since  
>> 2008 NCUC's membership has increased by more 215%  - largely in  
>> direct response to civil society's support for the NCUC charter.   
>> Not a single noncommercial organization commented in the public  
>> comment forum that hard-wiring council seats to constituencies  
>> will induce their participation in ICANN.
>
> I would modify the last sentence by:
> None of the noncommercial organizations that commented on the NCUC  
> Charter said they would participate to ICANN only if NCUC's Charter  
> secured the constituencies they would represent a seat on the GNSO  
> Council.
>
>
> Another example:
>
>> Myth 10
>> "The purpose of a constituency is to have your very own GNSO  
>> Councilor."
>> False.  Some claim GNSO Council seats must be hard-wired to  
>> specific constituencies because a constituency is meaningless  
>> without a guaranteed GNSO Council representative.  However this  
>> interpretation fails to understand the role of constituencies in  
>> the new GNSO, which is to give a voice and a means of  
>> participation in the policy development process
>
> I would briefly explain here how does that participation works in  
> practice.
>
>> -- not a guaranteed councilor who has little incentive to reach  
>> beyond her constituency and find consensus with other  
>> constituencies.  Two of the other three stakeholder groups
>
> Which ones?
>> adopted NCUC's charter approach of decoupling GNSO Council seats  
>> to constituencies, but NCUC has been prevented from electing its  
>> councilors on a SG-wide basis.
>
> What is a "SG-wide basis"? I confess that after reading 2 weeks of  
> emails on the NCUC discussion mailing list, I do not know what the  
> acronym refers to.  A quick search online dispelled my doubts, but  
> the average reader of this document will not do it, and you will  
> get him lost.
>
> I would also explain, at the end of the document, who the NCUC  
> represents; that it indeed represents the average Joe, why he has  
> to worry about what is happening, and what he can do to add his  
> voice to the debate.
>
> Cedric
> ---
>> Thanks, Milton.
>>
>> I've added a couple more myths and suggested edits in the attached  
>> document.
>>
>> All, please send in more comments and suggestions for refining  
>> this document so we can publish it in the next few days.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>> I have added a myth (one that I know Bd members are very  
>>> concerned about) but we still need two others for our "top ten"  
>>> list. Send in suggestions....
>>>
>>> See attached
>>> From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [NCUC- 
>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller  
>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:38 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Top Myths About the Civil Society  
>>> NCSG Charter
>>>
>>> Robin, this is really useful.
>>> I would alter the order of some of them and change a few wordings  
>>> to make them less defensive. Mind if I work on it a bit?
>>> From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [NCUC- 
>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robin Gross  
>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:44 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Top Myths About the Civil Society NCSG  
>>> Charter
>>>
>>> I think it would be helpful if we came up with a document "top 10  
>>> myths about the civil society NCSG charter" where we can list out  
>>> all the various arguments we continually have to deal with that  
>>> just don't apply to the facts.  Here's a few just off the top of  
>>> my head.  We can build on it.
>>>
>>> "NCUC is not representative or diverse in its membership."
>>> False.  NCUC represents 139 members including 74 noncommercial  
>>> organizations and 65 individuals in 48 countries.  NCUC has  
>>> increased its membership by 210% since the parity principle was  
>>> established in the BGC Report in 2008.  The LSE Report of 2006  
>>> showed NCUC was among the most diverse of any constituency and  
>>> about as diverse as the Internet population.  NCUC has grown  
>>> considerably since this was documented.
>>>
>>> "We can't let the NCUC-Cabal have more power."
>>> False.  NCUC represents an extremely broad and diverse membership  
>>> and has shared council representation among its membership.  The  
>>> 2006 LSE Report documented that NCUC has the most number of  
>>> different people serving on the GNSO Council over time and the  
>>> highest turn-over of any of the 6 constituencies.  It is the  
>>> commercial constituency representatives who have held on to a  
>>> single GNSO Council seat for nearly a decade making the claim  
>>> NCUC is a "cabal" of one or two people.  How's that for irony?
>>>
>>> "NCUC will not share council seats with other noncommercial  
>>> constituencies."
>>> False.  NCUC will dissolve and spin out into various splinter  
>>> noncommercial constituencies in the NCSG.  It does not make sense  
>>> to have a "Noncommercial Users Constituency" and a "Noncommercial  
>>> Stakeholders Group" as they are synonymous terms.  Given the  
>>> diversity and breadth of NCUC's membership, many vastly different  
>>> constituencies are likely to spin-out with competing agendas.   
>>> The organic self-forming approach to constituency formation is  
>>> much better than the board/staff Soviet-style gerrymandering  
>>> approach.
>>>
>>> "The NCUC wants to take away the board's right to approve  
>>> constituencies."
>>> False.  NCUC is happy to let the board approve or disapprove of  
>>> constituencies.  Our proposal simply offered to make a  
>>> recommendation to the board based on objective criteria and for  
>>> the board to make the decision.
>>>
>>> "ALAC prefers the ICANN staff drafted charter over the civil  
>>> society drafted charter."
>>> False.  An ALAC leader prefers the staff drafted charter and  
>>> commented that she supports the staff drafted charter.  ICANN  
>>> staff ran away with this comment and told the ICANN Board of  
>>> Directors that ALAC prefers the staff drafted charter.  The ALAC  
>>> leader also made some largely incoherent claims about previous  
>>> ALAC comments supporting staff's charter (although no such  
>>> charter draft existed for ALAC members to have previously  
>>> commented on).
>>>
>>> "Civil society is divided on the NCSG charter issue."
>>> False.  Staff told the ICANN Board that civil society is divided,  
>>> but the overwhelming public comment has been in strong opposition  
>>> to the ICANN drafted NCSG charter.  Board members who rely on  
>>> staff to tell them what to think probably believe civil society  
>>> is divided.  Those board members who have actually read the  
>>> public comments for themselves know a very different story of the  
>>> solidarity of civil society against what ICANN is trying to  
>>> impose on noncommercial users.
>>>
>>> "Labeling public comments as 'letter writing campaigns' means you  
>>> can ignore them."
>>> False.  It is called "public comment period" because ICANN is  
>>> supposed to listen to public comment.  Even if public comments  
>>> were prompted by the receipt of information and a call for  
>>> action, ICANN is still supposed to listen to them.  If anyone  
>>> actually takes the time to read the comments submitted, they will  
>>> see these are individually written and well thought out arguments  
>>> from a broad range of noncommercial organizations individuals.   
>>> ICANN's attempt to discount critical comments by labeling them a  
>>> "letter writing campaign" does little to inspire further  
>>> participation or confidence in ICANN public processes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Top Ten Myths About Civil Society Participation in ICANN.doc>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Milton.
>>
>> I've added a couple more myths and suggested edits in the attached  
>> document.
>>
>> All, please send in more comments and suggestions for refining  
>> this document so we can publish it in the next few days.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>
>>> I have added a myth (one that I know Bd members are very  
>>> concerned about) but we still need two others for our "top ten"  
>>> list. Send in suggestions....
>>>
>>> See attached
>>> From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [NCUC- 
>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller  
>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:38 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Top Myths About the Civil Society  
>>> NCSG Charter
>>> Robin, this is really useful.
>>> I would alter the order of some of them and change a few wordings  
>>> to make them less defensive. Mind if I work on it a bit?
>>>
>>> From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [NCUC- 
>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robin Gross  
>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:44 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Top Myths About the Civil Society NCSG  
>>> Charter
>>> I think it would be helpful if we came up with a document "top 10  
>>> myths about the civil society NCSG charter" where we can list out  
>>> all the various arguments we continually have to deal with that  
>>> just don't apply to the facts.  Here's a few just off the top of  
>>> my head.  We can build on it.
>>>
>>> "NCUC is not representative or diverse in its membership."
>>> False.  NCUC represents 139 members including 74 noncommercial  
>>> organizations and 65 individuals in 48 countries.  NCUC has  
>>> increased its membership by 210% since the parity principle was  
>>> established in the BGC Report in 2008.  The LSE Report of 2006  
>>> showed NCUC was among the most diverse of any constituency and  
>>> about as diverse as the Internet population.  NCUC has grown  
>>> considerably since this was documented.
>>>
>>> "We can't let the NCUC-Cabal have more power."
>>> False.  NCUC represents an extremely broad and diverse membership  
>>> and has shared council representation among its membership.  The  
>>> 2006 LSE Report documented that NCUC has the most number of  
>>> different people serving on the GNSO Council over time and the  
>>> highest turn-over of any of the 6 constituencies.  It is the  
>>> commercial constituency representatives who have held on to a  
>>> single GNSO Council seat for nearly a decade making the claim  
>>> NCUC is a "cabal" of one or two people.  How's that for irony?
>>>
>>> "NCUC will not share council seats with other noncommercial  
>>> constituencies."
>>> False.  NCUC will dissolve and spin out into various splinter  
>>> noncommercial constituencies in the NCSG.  It does not make sense  
>>> to have a "Noncommercial Users Constituency" and a "Noncommercial  
>>> Stakeholders Group" as they are synonymous terms.  Given the  
>>> diversity and breadth of NCUC's membership, many vastly different  
>>> constituencies are likely to spin-out with competing agendas.   
>>> The organic self-forming approach to constituency formation is  
>>> much better than the board/staff Soviet-style gerrymandering  
>>> approach.
>>>
>>> "The NCUC wants to take away the board's right to approve  
>>> constituencies."
>>> False.  NCUC is happy to let the board approve or disapprove of  
>>> constituencies.  Our proposal simply offered to make a  
>>> recommendation to the board based on objective criteria and for  
>>> the board to make the decision.
>>>
>>> "ALAC prefers the ICANN staff drafted charter over the civil  
>>> society drafted charter."
>>> False.  An ALAC leader prefers the staff drafted charter and  
>>> commented that she supports the staff drafted charter.  ICANN  
>>> staff ran away with this comment and told the ICANN Board of  
>>> Directors that ALAC prefers the staff drafted charter.  The ALAC  
>>> leader also made some largely incoherent claims about previous  
>>> ALAC comments supporting staff's charter (although no such  
>>> charter draft existed for ALAC members to have previously  
>>> commented on).
>>>
>>> "Civil society is divided on the NCSG charter issue."
>>> False.  Staff told the ICANN Board that civil society is divided,  
>>> but the overwhelming public comment has been in strong opposition  
>>> to the ICANN drafted NCSG charter.  Board members who rely on  
>>> staff to tell them what to think probably believe civil society  
>>> is divided.  Those board members who have actually read the  
>>> public comments for themselves know a very different story of the  
>>> solidarity of civil society against what ICANN is trying to  
>>> impose on noncommercial users.
>>>
>>> "Labeling public comments as 'letter writing campaigns' means you  
>>> can ignore them."
>>> False.  It is called "public comment period" because ICANN is  
>>> supposed to listen to public comment.  Even if public comments  
>>> were prompted by the receipt of information and a call for  
>>> action, ICANN is still supposed to listen to them.  If anyone  
>>> actually takes the time to read the comments submitted, they will  
>>> see these are individually written and well thought out arguments  
>>> from a broad range of noncommercial organizations individuals.   
>>> ICANN's attempt to discount critical comments by labeling them a  
>>> "letter writing campaign" does little to inspire further  
>>> participation or confidence in ICANN public processes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Top Ten Myths About Civil Society Participation in ICANN.doc>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> --
> Cedric Laurant, Esq.
> Researcher, GECTI (Grupo de Estudios en Internet, Comercio  
> Electrónico,
> Telecomunicaciones & Informática), Universidad de los Andes (http:// 
> gecti.uniandes.edu.co/)
> Carrera 1 No. 18A-10 - Bogota, D.C. (COLOMBIA)
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IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
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