Hello Norbert, You are perfectly reason. All debates on line are followed but I prepare an ICT event for next year in DR Congo. I am frequently in consultations and all time in the working sessions with the various operators and actors . I will forward to members more information as soon as the Web site will be ready. I am and remain an active member, Norbert. Daily diary push me to be all the time in moving. Best regards Baudouin 2009/10/10 Norbert Klein <[log in to unmask]> > Greetings, Baudouin, > to Central Africa from Cambodia, > > this is just a mail to renew our memories - you wrote this two months > ago, and there are so many urgent and important discussions going on > relating to structures - but we have to say it time and again to the > higher level ICANN strategists who want to impose monitoring and > censorship on us ("Are you really active?"), living and working under > difficult technological and economic constraints, that a new kind of > "digital divide" would be imposed by such rules, though they seem to be > "common sense and only technical." They are not. > > > Norbert Klein > > = > > Baudouin SCHOMBE wrote: > > I entirely subscribe to what Robin says. It is true that ICANN makes > > much efforts for participation of actors of from developing > > countries but should be avoided exclusion by taking account about > > certain parameters which are justifying: problem of connectivity, > > linguistic diificulties,daily diary….to quote only these. > > > > We also have obligation to frequently share all information which we > > receive with the various plate forme at the local level to collect > > their point of view. And this process is too slow in our countries > > where several technical and economic factors situation do not allow a > > good communicability. > > > > I still support financial aspect argumented by Robin. In fact, the > > noncommercial users of the developing countries are not the needy ones > > but are often complex situations which do not enable them to mobilize > > sufficient funds to face on certain obligations. If all that must be > > reasons for which the noncommercial users of the developing countries > > are not entitled to the votes, but then it is where the crowned > > principle of democracy? > > > > Baudouin > > > > 2009/8/6 Robin Gross <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > > > > I also have significant concerns about ICANN's plan to penalize > > noncommercial users who are not "active" in the GNSO with less > > representation. > > > > When you vote in a democracy, you don't have to prove that you > > donated 100 hours of community service in order to be entitled to > > a vote, as ICANN proposes. No, this is just another another > > mechanism to gate and minimize user participation and influence. > > > > What about people in developing countries who can't get online and > > can't raise the funds to get to ICANN meetings or to be in a > > position to donate their time to ICANN? They aren't entitled to > > a vote on Internet policy because they aren't "active" enough for > > ICANN? What about the fact ICANN is mainly conducted in English? > > It seems non-English speakers who cannot "actively" participate > > don't deserve a vote either? > > > > ICANN needs to understand it costs noncommercial organizations and > > individuals to participate at ICANN in ways that are unique to all > > other ICANN stakeholders. There are significant bars to ICANN > > participation that ICANN cannot use to "gate" to representation of > > noncommercial users. Not in a democratic institution accountable > > to the global public interest. > > > > Robin > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:17 AM, William Drake wrote: > > > >> Hi Adam, > >> > >> I'm fine with restating openness to dialogue etc as you suggest. > >> Not that we haven't before. > >> > >> Would like to pick up on one specific bit: > >> > >> On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > >> > >>> The NCUC does not have membership (or significant membership) > >>> from international consumer organizations (noted in many recent > >>> comments from the board and others as a missing constituent in > >>> all of ICANN), nor for the largest academic communities, > >>> libraries, R&D, etc. > >> > >> This may well be "noted" by the board and others but it is > >> patently untrue http://ncuc.syr.edu/members.htm. Just more > >> disinformation. (BTW I also noted some on the transcript of the > >> ALAC call, e.g. Nick saying that the NCUC proposal does not allow > >> board approval of constituencies...facts don't matter if one > >> can't be bothered to learn them). > >> > >> Which is not to say that it wouldn't be great to have more groups > >> with "consumer" in their title etc. > >> > >> Perhaps this needs to be a larger, more focused discussion > >> sometime, but while I think of it it's worth mentioning that > >> there is also a claim in said circles that our members are not > >> all sufficiently active and hence our diversity is just on paper, > >> which in turn is supposed to allow for "capture" by a small > >> cabal. This of course is held against us as well, and will be > >> relevant in the NCSG. As you know, the staff's "Suggested > >> Additional Stakeholder Group Charter Elements to Ensure > >> Transparency, Openness, Fairness and Representativeness > >> Principles" hold, inter alia, that "It is important that the > >> Board and the community have the ability to determine what > >> parties comprise a particular GNSO structure and who participates > >> in an active way....[hence] Each GNSO structure should collect, > >> maintain, and publish active and inactive member names identified > >> by membership category (if applicable)" > >> > >> I raised concerns about the reasoning and operational > >> implications of this on the last GNSO call, but they were pretty > >> much brushed aside. So I guess in some unknown manner members > >> will have to show sufficient signs of life on a frequent enough > >> basis for staff to deem them active and consider their views to > >> "count" when constituencies state positions. Oh, and meeting > >> attendance lists must be published and will be considered too. > >> At least, all this undoubtedly will apply to nomcomm > >> constituencies, business ones may get the usual pass from the > >> standards to which we're held. > >> > >> And now I have to reply to the council list about this claim in > >> the SOI that we are "not yet sufficiently diverse or robust to > >> select all six"...sigh. Pushing back on relentless disinfo does > >> get tiring... > >> > >> Bill > > > > -- > If you want to know what is going on in Cambodia, please visit > The Mirror, a regular review of the Cambodian language press in English. > > This is the latest weekly editorial of the Mirror: > > Reports from and Rumors about the UN Human Rights Council > http://tinyurl.com/y9y3df6 > > (To read it, click on the line above.) > > And here is something new every day: > http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL REPRONTIC COORDONNATEUR SOUS REGIONAL ACSIS/AFRIQUE CENTRALE MEMBRE FACILITATEUR GAID AFRIQUE téléphone fixe: +243 1510 34 91 Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243999334571 +243811980914 email:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr blog:http://educticafrique.ning.com/