No false statements were made. Let me make it clearer for the members: With vertical integration, a consumer cannot buy .foo from any other registrar UNLESS THE INTEGRATED PROVIDER CHOOSES TO LET OTHER REGISTRARS DO SO. This is incontrovertible; it is the definition of VI. With VI, there is no distinction, no separation between registry and registrar, no equal access to the registry. So to use your example, yes, Apple can _choose_ to let other stores sell their products -- but it does not have to. If uit wants to retain a product or products exclusively for distribution in its own store, it can. --MM > -----Original Message----- > From: Non-Commercial User Constituency [mailto:NCUC- > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Avri Doria > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:18 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] One or two PDPs? > > On 26 Jan 2010, at 08:14, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > > With vertical integration, a consumer cannot buy .TLD .foo from any > other registrar. > > this patently false. Just as in in cross-maketing, other Registrars would > be able to sell it. > > Just because Apple sells Apple products in Apple stores, does not mean > others can't sell them as well - and do. > > this has been at the core of the false statement you have been making. > > VI is not the same as exclusive sales. > > a.