> 2) I don=92t understand how acquiring a domain name is not a commercial = > transaction. Even if we agree say it=92s a =93consumer transaction=94, the = > registrant agrees to certain obligations. Whether you use the internet for = > non-commercial purposes or to sell widgets, I think it important to remembe= > r that. Just as there are consumer protection laws, aren=92t consumers exp= > ected to have a certain level of responsibility? Everry day I engage in quite a number of commercial transactions. I am not primarily a commercial actor and expecting me to have the same level of resources to deal with all those commercial transaction as large corporations is a recipe for a disaster, and increasing the power of large corporations. There are numerous ways in which laws governing commerce provide greater rights to the individual than to commercial organisations, to counter the economies of scale large organisations have. For example the distance selling regulations in the UK provide for a seven day cooling off period for the consumer to decide they don't actually want the goods they ordered. The selling company do not have similar rights to recall the goods in those seven days, indeed cannot repudiate the transaction once delivery has been made. > 3) As I stated in my comment and as I have been saying since I joined Re= > d Cross, it would be great if ICANN recognized the differences between how = > domains are used when setting policy. Why can=92t the pricing, rules, proc= > esses be different for those that are not using the DNS to sell widgets or = > make a profit? However ICANN=92s domain registration (its =93remit=94) vs.= > domain name use (what it claims is outside of its remit) debate clouds tha= > t issue sometimes. This is the whole point with considering domain names as trademark elements on their own. As Milton pointed out in Ruling the Root and as Michael Geist has pointed out many times, the standard we have for trademark rules in cyberspace is ridiculously overkill already compared to what happens in the non-virtual world. I would much rather that domain names per se were regarded as only one element of passing off and that evidence of the others was required to even bring a case. If that were so, then a fast response time might be legitimate (having to present a strong prima facie case of real trademark infringement beyond simply having registered a <trademark>.com domain name would be much better than the TM-holder situation now). Then again, this is all probably just a storm in a teacup these days. Consider the fact that most facebook users don't even have facebook.com bookmarked now, and certainly they don't put "facebook" or "www.facebook.com" in their URL box on their browser - they put facebook into the search box on their browser and click on the first link that comes up. As Milton and many others have pointed out, Debra's whole approach here is based on the idea of guilty until proven innocent, and that whenever an accusation is made there is a strong case against the defendant who should be forced to (possibly multiple times if they happen to have registered a domain which multiple large commercial organisations would like to have registered) defend themselves and do it quickly. As for the comment regarding those from developing countries having had internet access when they registered a domain and therefore can be assumed to have continuing access, that really is a bizarre response. Konstantin's point was that in some places access is flaky. That may indeed be one of the reasons for having registered a domain and to have one's servers in a different country. One can then continue to provide information services of many different types through a 24/7/365 system, updated as and when the registrant needs to do so. That need may only arise once a month, and may be done when their local connectivity is possible. Between local intermittent access and individual demands on time (holidays, personal business, illness) there may well be considerable time between the issuing of a notice of proceedings and an individual receiving it. The individual then must find the time and other resources to respond to a complicated complaint process. Requiring this to be done in 14 days is way too short for any reasonable individual - most people I know take two week holidays at some point during the year, so while I agree that a balance must be struck, the rights and needs of individuals (whom Milton has pointed out have been badly treated by greedy large organisations many times in the DNS space) require a longer time period. Sorry if that means the Red Cross can't immediately shut down bogus domains misusing their name, but then again would the registration of red-cross.football by an individual England fan (remember, the flag of the UK is a red cross on a white background) be trademark infringement? It should not be, IMHO, unless the associated web site with the DNS is used in some way to commit passing off and perhaps fraudulent charity donation collection. There are no easy answers here, but stamping on the billions of legitimate individual users (who may wish to register their son Ty's name for example) so that the large organisations can claim the wordspace is nowhere near the right answer. -- Professor Andrew A Adams [log in to unmask] Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan