Everybody keeps reporting about something (a court order) but nobody is showing it, and on the ICE, NIPR, or related sites there is no clear indication that the reports are accurate. Until I find/see a copy of the court order this thing looks very bogus. All reports indicated that what was seized is the domain name, then in that case the delegation for that particular domain should most probably point to a DHS or similar related site. Actually that page is located in a hosting service provider (Caronet Managed Hosting, own by Carolina Internet in North Carolina, US), very unlikely that DHS will use Caronet as a hosting proviider. Now if the ICE actions were real, they should have seized also torrent-finder.info, some may argue that .info is not under USG jurisdiction, let me remind you that Afilias is also incorporated in the Horsham, PA, US, and the site is hosted by a company in Dallas Texas also under US courts jurisdiction. It's obviously concerning when the IP community gets overreaching powers, but is also concerning that others claim the selling/distributing/manufacturing of counterfeit/fake/stolen stuff (be it music, software, hardware, or armani underware) is an expression of free-speech. I hope we start to see some serious analysis and reports about what happen in this particular case and stop the flow of incorrect or bogus information. Cheers Jorge 2010/11/28 Rafik Dammak <[log in to unmask]>: > Well that is getting more fuzzy, http://j.mp/f8EClO people pretending that > is. Elaborated hoax > > Rafik