Hello Everyone, I am new to the NCUC, so I will try to very briefly introduce myself. My name is Amr Elsadr, and I am an Egyptian national. My academic background is medical, however, I have not practiced clinical medicine since my year as an intern. Instead I have sought a career in providing service to the healthcare sector using ICT tools and am now the COO of a tele-medicine service provider based in Cairo. Having said that, I have to be very clear that when engaging in discussions with the ICANN community (and Internet governance in general), I wear a completely different hat, and that is as a volunteer with the Cyber Peace Initiative's youth empowerment program using ICT, Net-Aman. I am one of the founding members of this initiative, and if you are interested in learning more about it, you can check our website at http://www.cyberpeaceinitiative.org. Please excuse the fact that I am still pretty much a novice in all the discussions and debates going back and forth, but the issue of forming a NPOC as part of the NCSG is the first I have come across as a member on this mailing list, and you will find that I have more questions than anything else for the time being. For one thing, the criteria for membership of the NCUC are pretty obvious, but I am still perplexed on what makes an organization eligible to join the NCSG at large (least of all, forming a new constituency under the NCSG all together). I have been looking for membership criteria since this string of emails has started, and found the content Avri pointed out below a few days ago, but unless I'm missing something, the very top of the page clearly states that although 70% of the NCSG approved (an earlier??) version of this charter, The NCSG approved charter was not accepted by the ICANN Board Structural Improvement Committee. Does that mean that the eligibility and ineligibility of organizations as described under section 2.2.1 and 2.2.2 of that charter stands or not? If not, is there some other reference? Dan Krimm made an excellent point earlier regarding the difference between NPOs and noncommercial organizations. Being a not-for-profit organization and being a noncommercial organization are two completely different things as far as I can tell as well. Commerce is defined as the buying and selling of commodities according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Commodities could be either products and goods or services. Hospitals and universities are two examples that I can think of at the top of my head that, more often than not, provide services such as the provision of education and healthcare at a cost, yet not with the goal of creating profit. My question is, shouldn't there be a clear consensus on what makes an organization eligible of being a member of a constituency under the NCSG? That has been spelled out pretty clearly in the link Avri provided under section 2, but again I ask, do these criteria stand? If not, someone please provide reference for some that do. If these rules for eligibility are valid, then I believe that the NPOC Petition and Charter will need to be revised, and there should be a good reason why the organizations involved in trying to create this constituency would rather do so rather than be a part of the NCUC (I find myself making assumptions of what the operational impacts ICANN policies will have on the member organizations of the NPOC since I don't know what these organizations are). If they do not stand, then maybe that is the discussion that should be taking place in order to keep this stakeholder group truly free of members engaged in commerce. Thanks. Amr Elsadr M.D. Chief Operating Officer Tele-Med International http://www.telemedint.net Tel: +2(023)534-6098 Fax: +2(023)534-6029 -----Original Message----- From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:52 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: NPOC Q&A Document On 9 Nov 2010, at 15:34, Rosemary Sinclair wrote: > Hi Avri > > Could point me to the section in our proposed Charter on constituencies? > > Ta > > R > Sent from my BlackBerryR from Optus https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?ncsg_charter_board_issue_resolution section 2.3 a.