UK is trying to do what the US does. UK police want domain seizing powers: Right or wrong? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/uk-police-want-domain-seizing-powers-right-or-wrong/6938 Moui ภูมิจิต ศิระวงศ์ประเสริฐ (หมวย) Poomjit Sirawongprasert (Moui) Tel. +66-86-335-3900 Fax. +66-2287-2614 Contact Me [image: Twitter] <http://www.twitter.com/moui> [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/poomjit> [image: LinkedIn] <http://www.linkedin.com/in/poomjit> [image: Ning]<http://ncdnhc.org/page/membership-roster> [image: WordPress] <http://moui.net> ""Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves." - Albert Einstein<http://www.quotesdaddy.com/quote/1185037/albert-einstein/any-man-who-can-drive-safely-while-kissing-a-pretty> " Get this email app! <http://www.wisestamp.com/apps/quotes?utm_source=extension&utm_medium=email&utm_term=quotes&utm_campaign=apps> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Marc Rotenberg <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > More news today. > > (I had a hunch that the Dept of Justice would > be involved.) > > Marc Rotenberg > EPIC > > > -------- > > *From: * Morning Tech <[log in to unmask]> > > *Subject: * *POLITICO's Morning Tech, presented by Washington's > NewsChannel 8: Today: DOJ discusses IP enforcement - NetCoalition opposing > Comcast-NBC merger - Fmr. Pres. George W. Bush heads to FB for live book > chat - The privacy debate returns* > > *Date: * November 29, 2010 5:20:38 AM EST > > > *DRIVING THE DAY: DOJ DETAILS IP ENFORCEMENT* - U.S. Attorney General Eric > Holder and ICE Director John Morton are holding a press conference this > morning at DOJ where the two will announce "an intellectual property > enforcement action," according to the release. This comes on the heels of > ICE seizing the Web addresses of several file-sharing websites late last > week - more on that below. ICE officials declined to comment on the websites > that were taken down. > > > > *ICYMI: U.S. CRACKS DOWN ON PIRACY HAVENS* - From the NYT: "In what > appears to be the latest phase of a far-reaching federal crackdown on online > piracy of music and movies, the Web addresses of a number of sites that > facilitate illegal file-sharing were seized this week by Immigration and > Customs Enforcement, a division of the Department of Homeland Security. ... > The new seizures also come as a new bill, the Combating Online Infringements > and Counterfeits Act, is making its way through Congress. The bill, which > was approved by a Senate committee last week, would allow the government to > shut down sites that are 'dedicated to infringing activities.'" MORE: > http://nyti.ms/dOTbmb > > > > > On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Exactly, DHS consolidated functions that used to be in separate departments > (Customs, INS) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marc Rotenberg [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:09 AM > > To: Milton L Mueller > > Cc: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: U.S. Government Seizes BitTorrent Search Engine Domain and > > More > > > As a US lawyer, it seems odd to me that the DHS would have > > this role. International law enforcement matters are routinely > > coordinated by the Dept. of Justice. ICE is a relatively > > recent creation, gathering powers that traditionally resided > > with Customs and the INS. > > > Marc. > > > On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > > Not so odd, Marc, because Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is > > part of DHS. > > Customs would be the primary agency involved in transnational > > counterfeiting enforcement actions. > > Recall ACTA and related negotiations. Interesting that this can go on > > without COICA. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > > Of > > Marc Rotenberg > > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:26 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS] U.S. Government Seizes BitTorrent > > Search Engine Domain and More > > > According to the New York York Times, it was the Dept of > > Homeland Security (the same agency that brought us > > airport body scanners) that seized the BitTorrent site and others. > > This seems odd since it is the US Dept of Justice that would > > typically investigate copyright matters. > > > Note also that this action took place prior to Senate action > > on COICA. > > > Marc Rotenberg > > EPIC > > > ----------------------------- > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html > > > U.S. Shuts Down Web Sites in Piracy Crackdown > > By BEN SISARIO > > Published: November 26, 2010 > > > In what appears to be the latest phase of a far-reaching federal > > crackdown on online piracy of music and movies, the Web addresses of > > a number of sites that facilitate illegal file-sharing were seized > > this week by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the > > Department of Homeland Security. > > > By Friday morning, visiting the addresses of a handful of sites that > > either hosted unauthorized copies of films and music or allowed > > users to search for them elsewhere on the Internet produced a notice > > that said, in part: "This domain name has been seized by ICE - > > Homeland Security Investigations, pursuant to a seizure warrant > > issued by a United States District Court." > > > * * * > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Alex Gakuru wrote: > > > Does this mean *all* search engines with links will be shut down > > anytime, including 'Big G'? > > > On 11/27/10, Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Why complained earlier on expectations that cash strapped ccTLDs > > especially > > in Africa/developing cannot afford parallel servers, databases and > > time > > costs to enforce third parties IP/copyrights/trademark etc > > interests. > > It > > somehow 'feels' safer NOT to register a .com now? > > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Robin Gross <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > The latest info that I've seen is that Verisign assigned new DNS > > servers > > at the Registry level, and then locked the domain so that even the > > Registrar > > can't update it. So now it looks like it may have been VeriSign > > who > > "seized" them. No word on ICANN's role in this situation, if any. > > > > > On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > So was it ICANN that actually did the seizing? > > > On 11/26/2010 7:25 PM, Michael Haffely wrote: > > > The concerning part about the report from today is that the domain > > owner > > never received any complaint or due process before the domains > > were > > seized. > > It appears that no Cease and Desist, warrant, suit, or other > > criminal > > complaint was brought up before the domain was taken. What if > > (for > > an > > example) this behavior is taken up by the Patent and Copyright > > "trolls". > > What happens to an individual/nonprofit/organization when they > > have > > their > > domain yanked out from under them? > > > If ICANN is to seize domains from their rightful owners by demand > > of > > a > > law > > enforcement agency we need to have a clear, *rapid* appeals > > process > > to > > prevent abuse by corporations, law enforcement agencies, and > > governments. > > > > -Mike H. > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Andrew A. Adams <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > Very similar moves are happening in the UK, with Nominet (UK non- > > profit > > with > > the .uk (and .gb) country-code delegation) engaging with the UK's > > SOCA > > (Serious and Organised Crime Agency *) to remove 1200 "sites > > engaged in > > selling counterfeit goods" recently and now doing a more explicit > > deal > > with > > the police to take down the DNS registration for sites "alleged > > to > > be > > involved in criminal activity". > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/nominet_crime/ > > > (*) The SOCA is a rather dodgy organisation, IMHO. When it was > > set > > up > > the > > then home secrewtary made a big thing of it not being actually > > police > > and > > therefore not bound by the requirements that the police have to > > respect > > the > > human rights of citizens. THat's a recipe for a secret police > > operating > > extra-judicially and here we see exactly that kind of approach. > > > I am very worried by these kinds of moves. Zittrain's "The Future > > of the > > Internet" and Mueller's "Networks and States" concerns about > > censorship > > becoming the norm not the exception online seem to be coming > > true. > > While > > I'm > > not in favour of criminals having free reign, the trouble is that > > all > > the > > hard won freedoms such as due process, balance of rights, etc. > > seem > > to > > be > > being thrown out in the digital domain. > > > > > -- > > Professor Andrew A Adams [log in to unmask] > > Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and > > Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics > > Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ > > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE > > Robin Gross, Executive Director > > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > -- > > regards, > > > Alex Gakuru > > http://www.mwenyeji.com > > Hosting, surprise yourself! > > > > > -- > > regards, > > > Alex Gakuru > > http://www.mwenyeji.com > > Hosting, surprise yourself! > > >