Dwi, I did not say that you know nothing about ICANN and its issues. I pointed out that you accused me of setting NCSG policy and asked what gave me that right, and then pointed out that what I stated was settled NCSG policy from the group, not set by me (though I happen to be one of those who fully support that policy and agreed with its adoption). We also have a history of being a group which is formed around the basis, as Nuno eloquently said, of freedom and human values. You are welcome to the group and welcome to put your views forward, but the dogmatic tone you adopted and the accusation that I was somehow dictating group policy were not welcome. Before commenting on any issue, whether that be the .xxx issue or the MAPO issue, that has already had significant discussion in this group it is not only polite, but in your best interests, to review the discussions of the group prior to your joining it. You came in like "a bull in a china shop" complaining about decisions already made. It is your right as a member of the group to raise issues including requesting a reconsideration of previous decisions in the light of new evidence, circumstances or a change in the group make-up, but doing so without checking the background in the group misses the concomitant responsibility to ensure that debates here are not fruitless re-treading of old ground every time a single new member comes along. I value diverse opinions in this group, not least because it is only in argument with passionate, informed, intellectually rigorous people that my own ideas can find their full expression. The results of those arguments will not always be to everyone's satisfaction as sometimes it is the underlying assumptions about life that differ and those are rarely changed by argument, but at least with clear polite argument we can identify where out differences are on assumptions, analyses or desirability of outcome. -- Professor Andrew A Adams [log in to unmask] Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/