Rudi, Dwi, Thank you both for sharing your perspectives on-list, and please continue to do so. Nicolas > Hi rudi.. nice to know you:) > > agree with you opinion. Sometimes I think that indonesia government to > close all the porn things is like impossible job. it seems like a job to > check each house whether there is mouse or not. the problem: is all people > will give permit to government to check their house? can government catch > all mouse that exist in that house? in fact,there are many mouse hide > under blanket.:) But, as you are indonesian too, both us agree that all > about sex is taboo and all government try to do is to protect people, > specially teenagers, children from all porn files that exist in internet. > Please keep in mind, 'Internet Sehat" program is made because government > accepted many objections from indonesia society about how internet > contents is can't be controlled, indeed become dangerous for Indonesian > morality and culture. So, need your understanding if we still go on to do > this program, however to good to be true. > > regarding to the recent action of out minister that asked RIM to protect > their IP from porn sites and files, so all porn thing can't be accessed by > BB,I am, as officer think this is impossible request too. In fact, RIM > can't fulfill that request. As I said before, it seems like impossible > job. > > anyway.. good or wrong Indonesia is our country, do all the best that we > can do to support policies of government, because I believe it is intended > for good things, at least for the kindness of indonesian morality. > > Btw, it is you who success to get iPad from APNIC? if I am not wrong, I > saw your name. Congratulation. > > Regards, > > Dwi > > > > > > > > dear folks, dwi and friends: >> interesting discussions on xxx domain... by the way i am also from >> indonesia...but from NGO... association of internet cafe... >> probably sex is view very differently in Indonesia and in global >> governance community... >> >> in indonesia anything to do with sex... just to say sex is almost >> taboo... not halal... so that the government launch a program internet >> sehat and filter all sex content... and this week asked BB (blackberry) >> to install also filter in its server in RIM (Canada) from Indonesian BB >> users... >> Actually for us as private sector... this is not an easy task... and >> probably wont be successful... but it is a nice try to prevent >> pornography... >> on the otherhand pornography is also exist in many places in Indonesia.. >> such as SPA, massage parlour... and prostitute site... but the >> government seems to close their attentions... >> >> anyway... back to xxx domain... >> >> according to my view... as part of Indonesian civil association... this >> is an attempt to localized the sex domain... the same thing as we >> localize prostitutions... so should be OK... and probably make live >> easier for filtering content (kids access to internet). >> >> whether the site will be used for negative used... child abuse and so >> on... this is another issue that will be tackle by existing (global) >> cyberlaw... Indonesia also has now cyberlaw (we called it UU ITE Law no >> 11/2009 :-) ...that lacks of PP ( or supporting law to implement the >> cyberlaw... >> >> nice discussions and very good input for the global internet >> governance... regards, rudi rusdiah - apwkomitel ( association of >> community internet center - jakarta, indonesia). >> >> On 01/12/2011 08:04 PM, Dwi Elfrida Martina S wrote: >>> Hi andrew.. >>> >>> I am new member of NCSG but not new member in ICANN. I have been 2 years >>> involve within ICANN and exist in GAC meeting from the fist time GAC >>> start >>> to Draft MOPO. I was replace DG of ICT and Director of e-government of >>> Ministry of ICT of Indonesia who are representative in GAC.indeed, I am >>> fellowship of ICANN. So please.. watching your words! >>> >>> As I know, from beginning .XXX is site that intended for sex. .xxx is >>> inspire from .xxx.com that known as site for sex activities. But as they >>> propose counter to court of USA and make openness and freedom become >>> their >>> justification, so the court ask ICANN to review their .xxx proposal. >>> But, >>> if you have new issue that .XXX is not site for sex, you have to >>> announce >>> that thing to all participant in ICANN meeting, because as I know, from >>> Cartagena meeting, most of participant still have the same point of view >>> with me. >>> >>> Beside,my question to you, can you guarantee that the content of .XXX is >>> not site for sex? what kind of and openness and freedom that they asked >>> for? what is the proof that .XXX as TLD is nothing to do with .XXX.COM? >>> Yes.. I you are not Policy maker in NCSG, so please don't make any >>> conclusion before its not an agreement between members. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Dwi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dwi, >>> >>>> Before posting on any topic, I suggest you familiarise yourself with >>>> the >>>> current issues by reading through the mailing list archives. There you >>>> will >>>> find that the creation of .xxx is settled NCSG policy and the reasoning >>>> behind it has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with >>>> openness, >>>> freedom and the following of existing rules rather than exactly the >>>> kind >>>> of >>>> knee-jerk blinkered moralism that the MAPO proposals represent. >>>> >>>> I do not make NCSG policy, but I'm well aware of it, and of the reasons >>>> for >>>> it. >>>> >>>> The MAPO issue has also been well-discussed by the existing membership. >>>> While >>>> I welcome new members, I do not welcome them making personal attacks on >>>> the >>>> basis of not understanding anything about the existing situation when >>>> they >>>> join. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Professor Andrew A Adams [log in to unmask] >>>> Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and >>>> Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics >>>> Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>