Hi all,


Glad to see those chiming in to approve of the debate, I didn't realize this would ensue and I'm sorry if I offended some. 

Sorry for what was called "sexism" guys, it certainly was not personal given I dont know you in person!

I'm just a believer in facts and had noticed consumers (and producers) of porn were predominantly male.

No judgement, just a fact that may have an influence on a man's view of things, was my only point...


At least Dwi and I agree :


Make the Internet Miror Society, not Impose its Views on it


> I support the view the Internet miror a specific culture's society and not the 

libertarian views of some, many of whom hail from my nevertheless beloved

San Francisco,  California.


> And in today's western societies, to take an example, porn is NOT accessible to all but 

placed in certain areas where normally, only adults can access it.


Therefore an imposed .xxx domain name is, for me, the appropriate societal approach for western civilizations to take:


> This approach PROTECTS the young and those who have a true disgust for such, more than animal-like,

 actually un-natural and prowess-oriented displays of sexual behaviour, 


> In addition to giving a RECOGNIZED avenue to publish and consume such material, since its legal in those societies.


I think other cultures should have their own rule.


On Freedom and Governance of the web:


> I understand the goal of openness and the beauty of the Web thanks to this openness.  It seems to me to be more and 

more jeopardized, not by some .XXX domain name but by the corporate and western civilization takeover of .brandname extensions 

and the arbitration process.  


As the Internet grows and matures, what worked when western countries and an elite were part of it will not function when 

the masses, 3 year olds, China, India, Africa and others are part of it.  


It has to grow up and accept some compromises in " freedom ", some much stronger governance and accept there may be separate, 

multiple Webs with different "laws". 


ICANN will either have to:

-  morph into a multinational, elected, publicly accountable governing body concerned with content

- or see the emergence of another structure that WILL be concerned with content on the web, leaving it to be the technical 

arm of that governing body.



I believe the NCUC can represent diverse points of view on issues, given its huge cultural diversity and that having a monolithic 

view would even be strange.   Now I didnt say that was easy to manage and that I did very much to help, even though I have a strong interest in

doing so...;-)


Best',


Caroline













Le 15 janv. 11 à 06:02, Dwi Elfrida Martina S a écrit :

Dear Caroline,

I am totally agree with you. as woman I feel that my my identity, my
pride, my price decrease to the lowest level, when I saw another woman
explore their sexuality in internet.sometimes I feel that woman in the
porn site is not different with animal, even animal can do better than
human, animal still keep their sex activity in good order, keep it as
intimacy and private right and never explore it through internet.

nevertheless, when I say that I'll support .xxx as legal TLD for porn
site, because I think it will be used as central for porn sites,so easier
to control dissemination of pornography through internet.

Regards,


Dwi


Dear Nuno,


Maybe not, but I do think your views that one should not take a moral
stand on pornography or anything else are-

and you in all honesty allude to that-  tainted by who you are, and
probably by the fact you're a man.


You don't feel it in your guts like I may, as a woman, that it
actually is a violation of the bill of rights the way women ( AND MEN
actually!)

are treated and portrayed in pornographic material and the impact
such material has on those viewing it,

especially those with psychological difficulties, not to mention kids!


At some point, not seeing it as a problem that this material is
freely accessible to anyone in the name of ' moral neutrality' is
equal to

endorsing free access to this controversial material.

Pretending domain names do NOT have a moral, political and
sociological impact is akin to digging your head in the sand.

Pretending education will suffice to offset this unlimited freedom
of publishing online material is naive.


Otherwise why not give us all guns to defend ourselves, just in
case,  and just educate us all NOT to use them to kill

those we dont get along with?



I feel there should be a .xxx extension, and that all porn should be
made to use that and only that, by law,

just the way this material is not accessible to all in the physical
world.

Make the techies make that possible, dont let them tell us it's not "
technically feasible" just because they dont care about

controling access to it.


Best'

Caroline









Le 14 janv. 11 à 10:49, Nuno Garcia a écrit :

I hope that in the end I do not sound like a Hulstler or Playboy
stockholder or subscriber (I am neither of these), but this is
really what I believe in, and probably my opinion is relevant for
the mailing list.

On 14 January 2011 03:00, Dwi Elfrida Martina S
hi rudy,


(snipped)

I agree with you, there is no country who already TOTALLY success
to do
process 'filter'. But, still we have to do our best to place
"pornography"
in good order, means there is certain regulation, term & condition.
so, we
can protect country from decreasing of morality:)

As I think we have made clear from previous statements, Morality
(as well as public order) ARE NOT an issue that concerns this
constituency and these considerations should therefore be left out
of discussion and encouraged to be left of all the discussions in
ICANN.

(long parenthesis: I'm sure Dwi was formulating a wish for its own
country, and it this case, it's perfectly ok to do so. I must
recall the list that Morality is an extremelly complex issue, much
more than paedophilia, which is generally defined as crime in most
western and southern countries, but, in contrast, it is indulged by
some other countries (e.g. asian), and was not at all a crime
before 1950 in most of the countries I know. When these issues dig
deep in our cultural backgrounds and in our religious or belief
points of view, it is best to rely on the system of values that we
know is transversal to all Mankind and are best described in the
Charter for Human Rights, that I think best summarizes the values
we must guide for. End of long parenthesis.)

In conclusion, and having the Charter for Human Rights as a working
bench, I say that the arguments for discussing this or that issue
(but not for the .XXX which is long due), should never be issues on
liberty, or censorship, let alone competencies or policies for
governments.

We, as an informed and knowledgeable community, must put forward
our opinions having in view the larger and greater good of our
fellow Internet users, oblivious to where they sit in working days
or in holidays or in Holy days. All of us deserve an Internet that
_does_ _not_ _limit_ our rights as persons and promotes the values
engraved in the Charter for Human Rights.

We cannot say much regarding the different civilizational issues of
different countries. For me, I know that in my country we still
have a long way to go. But this is my belief, probably some of my
fellow citizens do not agree with me, and therefore this is not an
issue to discuss here.

I have the greatest of respects for all cultures, religions and
civilizations, and I try hard to not let my personal beliefs to
stand in the way of my professional beliefs, so I expect others to
do the same.

Of course, I stand perfectly aware that, as Ortega y Gasset once
said, I am myself and my circumstance, and thus my points of view
will always be tainted by the fact that I was born and raised here.

So to conclude, for me the purpose of this constituency is not to
place pornography or capitalism or comunism or _______ (fill in
with you word of choice) into order.

It is to make sure that we provide ICANN with valueable and wise
opinions. And we should do our best to do so. For our own good and
the benefit of all mankind.

I leave you all with two thoughts, one from Ben Franklin who once
said "He who gives up a liberty to achieve a temporary security
deserves neither and will loose both" (and there are plenty of
historical examples of this), and the other, from a greek
philosopher whose name I cannot remember "the best way to prevent a
damage to society is to educate the children".

With my personal and sincere excuses if my points of view have
offended anyone (was not my intention), I wish you all a nice week
end,

Nuno Garcia

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