also agree.<div><br></div><div>but I think the rational here may be simples, and ICANN has given proof of that approach before: this is just a market issue, i.e., demand seems to support a premium price, so why not charge the price the market seems to be available to pay?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Abraços!!!</div><div><br></div><div>Nuno</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 March 2011 02:13, Nicolas Adam <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"><a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3D1103%26L%3DNCSG-DISCUSS%26E%3Dquoted-printable%26P%3D1618714%26B%3D--0015175748ee600c13049f0ff4e1%26T%3Dtext%252Fhtml%3B%2520charset%3DISO-8859-1%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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    On 3/21/2011 10:08 PM, Marc Perkel wrote:
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      I don&#39;t have a problem if there are additional costs. That to me
      would be a reason. But there has to be numbers to back it up. I&#39;m
      not a supporter of sin taxes.<br>
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      On 3/21/2011 7:02 PM, Nicolas Adam wrote:
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        The question seems to be: in the spirit of running a
        self-sustaining show (from the perspective of ICANN and, for
        that matter, from a public policy perspective), shouldn&#39;t it
        cost more to deploy the heaviest operations than it should the
        easiest? <br>
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        Also, is it not unreasonable that prospective name businesses
        moving first and fast (perhaps into high markup territory) bear
        what will certainly prove out to be, in retrospect, a heavier
        cost?<br>
        <br>
        Down the line, it might even not be totally unreasonable to
        think along the lines of this gTLD cross-subsidizing that gTLD,
        for the sake of global accessibility or some such aim.<br>
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        I understand that you point out .biz and .xxx, and you seem to
        suggest that there is a discrepancy between their incurred cost,
        one that is not based on justifiable costs of deployment
        (including bureaucratic). If that is so, than i lament with you.
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        Lastly: is it expected that the recurrent costs of .xxx be
        higher than other prospective gTLDs?<br>
        <br>
        Nicolas<br>
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        On 3/21/2011 9:32 PM, Marc Perkel wrote:
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          Are we going to charge $70 for .beer and .cigarettes ? Why
          should the .xxx users pay for the litigation? Do we charge
          everyone for litigation? Are we charging the domains that
          opposed the .xxx equally? I&#39;m not hearing an objective
          standard and set of rules articulated that apply to all
          domains. After the litigation costs are covered do we go back
          to $10 like everyone else pays?<br>
          <br>
          Tell me why .xxx is $70 and .biz isn&#39;t.<br>
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          On 3/21/2011 6:18 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
          <blockquote type="cite">The point is, if you don&#39;t want to pay, you can
            use another tld.
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            <div>The (theoretical) advantage of using a .xxx address is
              that you are represented to adhere to a set of socially
              responsible standards - which at the same time it is up to
              the registry to make sure registrants comply with. That&#39;s
              what sTLD&#39;s are all about. </div>
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            <div>See</div>
            <div><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agreements/xxx/iffor-responsibilities-obligations-20jul10-en.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agreements/xxx/iffor-responsibilities-obligations-20jul10-en.pdf</a></div>


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            <div>As far as litigation costs, do you think 7 or so years
              of pushing this application through cost nothing?</div>
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            <div>j</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:56 PM,
                Marc Perkel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank"><a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3D1103%26L%3DNCSG-DISCUSS%26E%3Dquoted-printable%26P%3D1618714%26B%3D--0015175748ee600c13049f0ff4e1%26T%3Dtext%252Fhtml%3B%2520charset%3DISO-8859-1%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a></a>&gt;</span>
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                      On 3/21/2011 4:38 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
                      <blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at
                        5:42 PM, Marc Perkel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank"><a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3D1103%26L%3DNCSG-DISCUSS%26E%3Dquoted-printable%26P%3D1618714%26B%3D--0015175748ee600c13049f0ff4e1%26T%3Dtext%252Fhtml%3B%2520charset%3DISO-8859-1%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"> He
                          has one point I agree with. Why should .XXX
                          cost more than .COM ?</blockquote>
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                        Why not? 
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                        <div>They certainly have higher costs in terms
                          of diligence. And they do have years of
                          litigation to recoup, and, um, I think there
                          are few more .com registrations.</div>
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                        <div>One comment in another thread made me
                          chuckle about the irony of the phrase
                          &quot;intellelctual property&quot; when applied to smut.</div>
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                        <div>BTW I have posted an illustrated version of
                          the board vote at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YidaDxIH_8I&amp;NR=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YidaDxIH_8I</a></div>
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                    The question about why to charge more isn&#39;t &quot;why
                    not&quot; but &quot;why&quot;. Why should one kind of business be
                    charged more that another. What you refer to as
                    &quot;smut&quot; is human reproduction without which none of
                    us would be here. We all owe our very existence to
                    &quot;smut&quot;.<br>
                    <br>
                    There is indeed intellectual property associated
                    with &quot;smut&quot;. Good porn is not easy to produce and
                    those people work hard for their money. I don&#39;t see
                    the difference between that and any other subject
                    matter covered under copyright law. I personally own
                    adult intellectual property, although it&#39;s not porn.
                    It&#39;s instructional information.<br>
                    <br>
                    I personally don&#39;t see sex as less moral that
                    drilling for oil, running a nuclear power plant,
                    manufacturing guns, or any other business that some
                    people disagree on moral issues. And I thought we
                    were against ICANN becoming the moral police. <br>
                    <br>
                    The way I see it there has to be a reason for
                    charging more for .xxx and that reason has to be
                    based in some sort of reality and such a test needs
                    to be applied to other similar domains. Also - I
                    don&#39;t see the moral difference between these domain
                    names:<br>
                    <br>
                    <a href="http://sluts.com" target="_blank">sluts.com</a><br>
                    sluts.xxx<br>
                    <br>
                    I don&#39;t understand the diligence and cost of
                    litigation argument.<br>
                    <br>
                    Also in my view .xxx makes life easier. The .xxx
                    people don&#39;t want kids and Christians wasting their
                    bandwidth. I think there is a right to have porn and
                    a right to avoid porn. The .xxx is sort of a truth
                    in labeling issue that helps both seekers and
                    avoiders of porn. It&#39;s not a final solution. I
                    wouldn&#39;t ever want to see laws requiring adult
                    content to have an .xxx listing. But if more of it
                    moved there it would help both sides. Charging more
                    for .xxx helps defeat the purpose of having .xxx in
                    the first place.<br>
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